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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No matter how often you repeat this lie, it will remain every bit as much a lie as it was the first time you said it.
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    lie 2 (l)
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    1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
    2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

    Lie - definition of Lie by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


    For someone to lie, they must have intended to deceive.

    And since you cannot know what his intentions were, then you cannot know whether he lied or not.

    So your statement is totally meaningless.

    I disagree.

    It is plausible that when he first made that 90% claim, he thought it was true.

    I think that claim has been solidly enough disproven, that I find it highly implausible that he still believes it to be true.

    I cannot say for certain what goes on in his head, but it is clearly much more plausible that he is willfully repeating something that he now knows to be untrue than that he still believes it to be true.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I disagree.

    It is plausible that when he first made that 90% claim, he thought it was true.

    I think that claim has been solidly enough disproven, that I find it highly implausible that he still believes it to be true.

    I cannot say for certain what goes on in his head, but it is clearly much more plausible that he is willfully repeating something that he now knows to be untrue than that he still believes it to be true.
    lie 2 (l)
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    1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
    2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

    Plausibility is irrelevant.

    As the definition clearly shows - the only way to know if he was lying is to know his intent.

    You can guess all you like - there is no possible way to know unless he states it.

    And since he did not (I assume) - there is no possible way you can know whether he lied or not.

    You can believe he lied all you wish.

    However, to state that he did in a matter-of-fact manner is (imo) defamatory and possibly slanderous.

    Personally, I think you owe him an apology.



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you prove that gun does not cross state lines once you sell it?
    Perhaps you don't know what the term "interstate commerce" means? Interstate commerce is taking something from one state into another state with the express purpose of selling it in that different state. Interstate commerce does not mean selling it in one state to another person in that state...that is called "intrastate commerce". Something that the federal government has no power over. Once the gun is sold intrastate it does not matter if the person that bought that item for personal use moves across state lines.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For those that know the law, that is where the Supreme court decides whether a law is constitutional or not. They are in fact the only body specified under the Constitution with judicial power.
    But they are not the only ones that can decide if a law is Constitutional or not. The courts may be the only ones with judicial power, but they are not the only ones that are allowed to determine if a law is Constitutional or not. You may wish that it was so...but it is not.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not against the law in 40 states for guns to be sold privately that may be carried across state lines.
    Any legally bought firearm can be carried across any state line.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well, may as well do nothing than, right? Just keep selling guns to criminals and the mentally deranged in 40 states...............
    That is not quite what I am saying. I was simply pointing out two legal problems I think exist when talking about this issue.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Perhaps you don't know what the term "interstate commerce" means? Interstate commerce is taking something from one state into another state with the express purpose of selling it in that different state. Interstate commerce does not mean selling it in one state to another person in that state...that is called "intrastate commerce". Something that the federal government has no power over. Once the gun is sold intrastate it does not matter if the person that bought that item for personal use moves across state lines.
    How does the universal background check prevent law abiding citizens that pass the background check from taking their gun purchase across state lines?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How does the universal background check prevent law abiding citizens that pass the background check from taking their gun purchase across state lines?
    1: I never said that it did.

    2: That is not what was being talked about. This is just you moving the goal posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Since when have I cared about slanted polls and low wattage respondents. Your only argument is one based on an appeal to mediocrity

    tell us Catawba-given your expansive understanding of constitutional law-how is this proposed law going to get past LOPEZ and what exactly is the connection to INTERSTATE COMMERCE given that I can only sell a personal weapon to someone who lives in my own state?
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you prove that gun does not cross state lines once you sell it?
    You were trying to connect the moving of the gun across state lines after it was sold to interstate commerce in order to justify the federal governments intrusion of making private sellers do background checks.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Roughly ninety percent of Americans support universal background checks. Do you?
    Your poll here does not coincide with the one you quoted, any thoughts on why that is ?
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I never said that it did.

    Then do you know anyone that can explain how background checks are an infringement of interstate commerce laws?
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