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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not really. It would cost many, many times for the lawyer than the value of the firearm. Police have learned they can just take anything of value not more than a few thousands dollars and realistically the person can't do anything about it that is worth the person's efforts.
    But the people still have the right to sue, that has not been taken from them.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    If my wife willingly gave my guns to the police without my consent I would divorce her immediately and make an extremely public case against the police department. She said the guns were his, not hers. If they had probable cause to remove guns from her home because of mental illness the rightful owner should have had the opportunity to remove them as he wished, whether that would be selling them or simply relocating them to where she couldn't access them. Or take the guns and leave her. What happened here is that a man was deprived of his property without just cause.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But the people still have the right to sue, that has not been taken from them.
    It would be cheaper for him to just go buy more guns. Again, semantics. A common tactic by the left to take things away from others. Considering that he was robbed by the police and the state that employs them write the rules the right to sue is an empty promise at best. Someone who steals your guns at gun point is a dangerous criminal who needs to be handled with extreme prejudice. Whether or not they are wearing a badge is irrelevant. That guy who shot a bunch of cops in LA? He had a badge. That didn't make him innocent.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Just to be clear, this issue has been brought up here (where I live). Basically the consensus was that if agents show up at your home to collect your guns, give them the guns. Make a couple of phone calls and in short order the hunting party will get them back. Accepting an order to disarm citizens is a suicide mission, and the military and police in our area that I've talked to completely understand this.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    It would be cheaper for him to just go buy more guns. Again, semantics. A common tactic by the left to take things away from others. Considering that he was robbed by the police and the state that employs them write the rules the right to sue is an empty promise at best. Someone who steals your guns at gun point is a dangerous criminal who needs to be handled with extreme prejudice. Whether or not they are wearing a badge is irrelevant. That guy who shot a bunch of cops in LA? He had a badge. That didn't make him innocent.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Justice is blind, it has to be in order to be fair.
    A foolish premise considering our court system.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    A foolish premise considering our court system.
    It is better than having none at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It is better than having none at all.
    Arguable. When the court system stops protecting the people in favor of protecting government it is certainly not better than nothing. A court system is supposed to be unbiased. When their bias is manipulated by those on one side of the argument they might as well not exist.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not really. It would cost many, many times for the lawyer than the value of the firearm. Police have learned they can just take anything of value not more than a few thousands dollars and realistically the person can't do anything about it that is worth the person's efforts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But the people still have the right to sue, that has not been taken from them.
    When the cost of exercising a right is prohibitive, then, yes, that right has, for all intents and purposes, been taken away.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Update on Universal Background Check Bill -

    "The Senate Judiciary Committee--which is considering a host of new gun legislation--voted 10 to 8 Tuesday to pass a universal background check bill out of committee. The bill would close the so-called gun show loophole, which allows unlicensed individuals to sell their wares at gun shows without running a background check on buyers.

    The bill provides limited exemptions for immediate family members who may pass on a weapons as a family heirloom or gift and for individuals who are using a gun temporarily for a sporting event."

    Senate Judiciary Committee Passes Background Checks, Not Without Controversy - US News and World Report
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