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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes,"

    Is the ATF lying when they say most guns used in crimes are bought legally? - Yahoo! Answers
    Of course they are lying - it's a government agency.

    About 50% are stolen guns or illegal smuggled guns. The other 50% are a criminal/felon getting a friend or spouse to buy a gun for them because they cannot. No sale involved.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Likewise, none of your posts proof that background checks lead to confiscation of every gun.
    Gee...lookie here...gun confiscation based on background checks...coming soon to a state near you!

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Gee...lookie here...gun confiscation based on background checks...coming soon to a state near you!

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    They need a warrant in order to confiscate the guns. And it seems that only the mentally ill and convicted felons that are targeted by this program.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    They need a warrant in order to confiscate the guns. And it seems that only the mentally ill and convicted felons that are targeted by this program.
    So you agree that a BGC is performed, warrant issues and guns are confiscated...? If so this is the proof that you requested in #113 is it not?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So you agree that a BGC is performed, warrant issues and guns are confiscated...? If so this is the proof that you requested in #113 is it not?
    Is confiscating a criminals guns a problem? Or is the very fact that confescation happened a problem?

    To be fair i was too vague in my answer in post 113.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is confiscating a criminals guns a problem? Or is the very fact that confescation happened a problem?

    To be fair i was too vague in my answer in post 113.
    The mentally ill are criminals?

    Look, I'm not sure what my position is here but merely posted this in response to your self admitted 'vague' answer. Criminals, yes take their guns as them having them IS a crime. Mentally ill? This is too broad to decide. What is the 'depth' of their illness? Do they ever get them back? Are they compensated for the loss of property? Can they be 'transferred' to someone else like a family member?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only the far right believe it can't be enforced.
    Only the far wrong believe enforcement would not be suicide.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    The mentally ill are criminals?

    Look, I'm not sure what my position is here but merely posted this in response to your self admitted 'vague' answer. Criminals, yes take their guns as them having them IS a crime. Mentally ill? This is too broad to decide. What is the 'depth' of their illness? Do they ever get them back? Are they compensated for the loss of property? Can they be 'transferred' to someone else like a family member?
    If a persons guns were wrongfully confescated they can sue the police for violating the law.

    And no I was not implying that the mentally ill are criminals. It is huge responsibility to own a firearm and depending on the severity of the mental illness, such a person may not be able to handle that responsibility.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If a persons guns were wrongfully confescated they can sue the police for violating the law.
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    Not really. It would cost many, many times for the lawyer than the value of the firearm. Police have learned they can just take anything of value not more than a few thousands dollars and realistically the person can't do anything about it that is worth the person's efforts.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Interesting article. Now all they need to do is move the line that describes what "mentally ill" means. Could it be interpreted as anyone who seeks counseling? Soooo, a veteran who has issues with PTSD, take them away. How about marriage counseling? I bring this one up because I have done it and found it extremely beneficial. This is exactly why gun control was intended to have access to medical records (before Reid made his deal with the NRA). If the government makes the rules, then changes the rules any of our rights can be removed by way of semantics. This is exactly why we are opposed to a federal registry. We simply don't trust the government or those who say "Oh come on, who will it hurt? Let's do it for the children as a bipartisan gesture of good faith." Liberal tactics and intents are well documented and can not be allowed to erode rights described by our founders as absolute. These guys had seen this kind of government before. Against all odds they overthrew it, and then provided methods in great detail to prevent it from happening again. What they didn't count on was the generational dumbing down of citizens. It puts those of us who can see what is happening in a difficult position. We either have to educate the ignorant or throw them overboard. Guess what direction we're leaning?

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