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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is what 10% - 15% of voters that represent the far right believe.
    Lol! Feel free to explain how they're wrong then.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is what 10% - 15% of voters that represent the far right believe.
    If you are requiring a background check on private sales, or requiring liability insurance for gun owners/sellers, all you are doing is making gun ownership only available to the rich.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It appears that you are either being intentionally dense or do not know that NICS checks are done by the same folks (FFL dealers) that now keep the gun sales records. Using two related databases is simply the trick used to convince morons that registration is not the goal, that it is only a "private" function. One can say that FFL dealer records are not gov't records (like you pretend) and that they are only examined for specific things yet they are generally turned over to ATF (as well a state agencies).

    http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/F...dRetention.pdf

    Do let us know how your case to overturn 19 years of legal precedent works out for ya!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol! Feel free to explain how they're wrong then.
    Since they are politically irrelevant, there is no need!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    If I implied that ‘it will include a registry and that it won't include exemptions’ I apologize as it is not my point. The same article you walked out two weeks ago specifically pointed out that this was planned in the legislation. My argument is that the law will be effectively unenforceable without a registry and by including exemptions it fails the ‘universal’ part of the plan.
    You are entitled to your opinion.

    Actually no, the CURRENT law prescribes that you cannot KNOWINGLY sell a firearm to someone who you know or have reason to think the purchaser is ineligible. Those in the NYC ‘sting’ the seller was TOLD by the purchaser that he was ineligible. I did not see in the NYC study where the sellers were arrested and prosecuted. If we are not going to enforce the current laws why write new ones?
    The NRA friendly Bush Justice Department did not choose to prosecute those identified in the NY sting operation. Imagine that..........
    I am glad the President has issued an executive order to increase enforcement of existing gun laws.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since they are politically irrelevant, there is no need!
    So you don't need to worry about explaining how ideas that have been done and failed are all of sudden going to work this time around?

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If you are requiring a background check on private sales, or requiring liability insurance for gun owners/sellers, all you are doing is making gun ownership only available to the rich.

    No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

    Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

    Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
    But who pays for the background check? Unless the feds are going to kick in 100% of these new costs, you are going to disenfranchise the poor in regards to firearm acess.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

    Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
    How many times do people have to explain to liberals that actions like this cost money and therefore limit access?

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How many times do people have to explain to liberals that actions like this cost money and therefore limit access?
    Liberals like taxation, income redistribution and user fees. They fully support anything that includes more federal gov't power and spending (as long as they don't get asked to pay for it).
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