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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am familiar with those figures. counting suicides is bogus IMHO
    Sorry, but t,hey are part of the numbers. Can't only accept facts you want. The complete picture includes all of it.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    James Dean, James Dean---bought it sight unseen: too fast to live, too young to die---bye bye
    we only get our license for cars renewed every 4 years, so the license plate registration has increased in cost
    if you get a misdemeanor ticket like going 78 in a 55, you can count on taking the written test

    I'm all for your guns, your registration, your concealed-carry, your "grand-fathered" semi-automatics
    as much as it pains me to say it, your 30-bullet clips for home-defense and gun-club type activities.
    I'm also for normal and qualified gun-owners like you to conduct means/field testing.

    I'm not for the lying hype of the fringe NRA and other gunners dividing this Country and scaring them
    such as that Obama is coming for their guns like Hitler did using registration.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is because the checks didn't impose registration or additional privacy violations on those of us not engaged in interstate commerce
    Registration is not part of the current system and will not be included in any bill that passes this congress. And it is only your opinion their will be privacy violations.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    Catawba, how do I start a new thread?
    Click on the thread category you wish to post your new thread within. Then, near the top left there will be a link to start a new thread.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Registration is not part of the current system and will not be included in any bill that passes this congress. And it is only your opinion their will be privacy violations.
    so tell me catawba. Tyrone has three felony convictions. He has four hot pieces he stole in one of the robberies he didn't do time for. So he gets out of the joint and goes and gets the guns to sell to Leroy. Now if Tyrone is caught with the guns he does 96 to 120 months in a USP under the sentencing guidelines. IF he notifies the NICS he is selling the guns to Leroy he incriminates himself.

    SO TELL ME catawba how will the USSC rule when the AUSA indicts Tyrone for both being a felon in POSSESSION and for failing to perform the background check

    I know the answer

    DO YOU?



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, as to my scenario how will the LEO produce evidence (AND PROSECUTE) that I have broken the law? Remember the accusation was merely heresay...OH that’s right, mine was exempted…


    Your scenario will not happen because a small number of sales are likely to be exempted if it has any hopes of passing congress. The main thing being targeted are gun shows and online advertising.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Click on the thread category you wish to post your new thread within. Then, near the top left there will be a link to start a new thread.
    Thank you. :] I plan on posting about the suicide epidemic in the US if you wanna join the discussion. I would like to think that's not a partisan issue considering it affects folks of all backgrounds.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You are talking in circles here. Your link indicated that record keeping was not agreeable yet you ignore that as a "minor" point. It is the major point preventing universal BG checks, registration (record keeping) and the associated high fees. CA has that exact system, including a $35 fee for a single gun transfer. I cannot explain why nobody has sued, but that is clearly an infringement to me. One does not see that fee now, if they buy a new gun, as it is simply built into the FFL dealers markup, but if imposed as a separte fee (tax?), for a private transfer, it would be very visible and thus objectionable.


    Keeping a registry of law abiding gun owners is illegal, which is why the current NICS doesn't include registry, and why the expanded background checks will not include registry.

    Apparently, only you and few other sellers are worried about the $35 fee..................
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Click on the thread category you wish to post your new thread within. Then, near the top left there will be a link to start a new thread.
    It's in general political discussion btw.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your scenario will not happen because a small number of sales are likely to be exempted if it has any hopes of passing congress. The main thing being targeted are gun shows and online advertising.
    Have you already supplied some source for this or are you merely projecting?
    1. My scenerio being exempted
    2. Main thing being targeted - gun shows
    3. online advertising (which I believe already requires FFL transfer hence BGC)...of course Craigs list/newpaper classifieds transactions would be identical to that which I described...and of course you said was exempted.
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