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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You have no way of knowing is they are 'lying' or not.

    'lie 2 (l)
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    To lie requires intent. Since you cannot possibly know what their inent was (unless they inform you), then there is no possible way you can know if they are lying or not.

    They may just be relaying information that is false - without their knowledge that it is false.
    Either lying or delusional. It has to be obvious to anyone that there is not anything close to 90% support for any new gun control laws. If there was, then there wouldn't be nearly so much controversy, and if there was, there would be no reason not to pursue a Constitutional Amendment to remove any doubt about the new proposal being Constitutional.

    The “universal background check” must surely be the least controversial of all the new proposals. Not only is there not anywhere close to the support for it that it would take to get a Constitutional Amendment ratified to allow it (much less the claimed 90%), but if the poll here on this thread is any reflection, the consensus is almost strong enough the other way that, if necessary, it would probably be relatively easy to get a Constitutional Amendment ratified to prohibit it. Such an Amendment would, of course, be redundant and unnecessary, as the Second Amendment already explicitly prohibits any infringement of the right to keep and bear arms, and this unarguably includes making the exercise of this right subject to background checks or other arbitrary government-imposed hoops.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Earlier in this discussion ttwtt78640 had an idea that everyone when they got their
    Drivers license, would have a background check, if you passed, you got field entry on your
    license saying YES this person is allowed to buy guns, or NO gun sales allowed.
    Within about 6 years every adult, and all new drivers would be checked.
    This would also eliminate Government excuses for keeping some background check info.

    ttwtt78640 I apologize for my poor stating of your idea!

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That's your interpretation of the 2'nd Amendment...not mine.
    It's not my “interpretation” nor anyone else's. It's what the Second Amendment clearly, explicitly says.

    The only people who think there is any need or room to “interpret” the Second Amendment are those who do not agree with it, and do not want it to be obeyed, but are unwilling to go along with the proper amendment process to change the Constitution to correct their disagreement therewith.

    Disagreeing with the Constitution is no excuse to disobey it.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Earlier in this discussion ttwtt78640 had an idea that everyone when they got their
    Drivers license, would have a background check, if you passed, you got field entry on your
    license saying YES this person is allowed to buy guns, or NO gun sales allowed.
    Within about 6 years every adult, and all new drivers would be checked.
    This would also eliminate Government excuses for keeping some background check info.

    ttwtt78640 I apologize for my poor stating of your idea!
    Anyone wishing to purchase a gun, if UBG became the law, could simply get their ID renewed for a nominal fee, just as you must (may?) do when your address changes.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 02-25-13 at 05:01 PM.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Anyone wishing to pruchase [sic] a gun, if UBG became the law, could simply get their ID renewed for a nominal fee poll tax, just as you must (may?) do when your address changes.
    Fixed it for you.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Fixed it for you.
    Thank you. Yep. Requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID is only an undue, discriminatory burden (enacted by racists?) to keep minorities down when required for voting (in racist states?); in all other cases, such as buying prescription drugs, alcohol, tobacco, guns or ammo, or when cashing a check or lottery ticket, it is then simply a "reasonable restriction".
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Roughly ninety percent of Americans support universal background checks. Do you?

    So says the New York Times.

    And that has been quoted what, 500 times on the forum.

    Where is the quoting:

    The poll also indicates, however, that the public agrees with the NRA's proposal to protect schools with armed guards, with roughly three-quarters of respondents saying they would help prevent mass shootings to at least some degree, and only a quarter saying they would do little or nothing to help.

    Where is our great leader on 75% of people want the government to protect the children they require parents to turn over to the government?

    Obama doesn't care about children. Rather, he hopes that somehow background checks my protect him beyond the massive security he already has.

    Background checks would not have prevented 1 mass school shooting.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's not my “interpretation” nor anyone else's. It's what the Second Amendment clearly, explicitly says.

    The only people who think there is any need or room to “interpret” the Second Amendment are those who do not agree with it, and do not want it to be obeyed, but are unwilling to go along with the proper amendment process to change the Constitution to correct their disagreement therewith.

    Disagreeing with the Constitution is no excuse to disobey it.
    'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'

    The text is clearly about the militia - which is why the word was put near the beginning of the text. I suppose they started the text with 'Militia' for fun? It is there because that is what they are discussing.


    Now take a wild guess if a) I care much if you agree or not; and b) if I feel like wasting my time discussing something that you obviously have your mind made up on?

    If you said 'yes' to both questions?

    Bingo!


    Have a nice day.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-25-13 at 05:49 PM.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Yes, I am one of the 90% that supports universal background checks!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.
    Ouch, I almost busted a gut laughing, politicians who are doing what the people want them to do

    Hell would almost have to freeze over before even universal background checks would be put to the vote and being voted on/passed in this US congress (and possibly even this US senate). Senators are scared to death to anger or get on the wrong side of the NRA.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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