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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The same way all laws are enforced. By arresting and prosecuting those that break the law.
    tell us what will be used to prove that a violation took place



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have a permit too-the government has no idea the number or the makes and models of the guns I own. and that is the way it should be
    Agreed,
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Handguns are not the issue, and that does not negate that in 19 years, even with a conservative court, background checks have not been ruled an infringement.
    uh that is because the checks didn't impose registration or additional privacy violations on those of us not engaged in interstate commerce



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The same way all laws are enforced. By arresting and prosecuting those that break the law.
    Ok, as to my scenario how will the LEO produce evidence (AND PROSECUTE) that I have broken the law? Remember the accusation was merely heresay...OH that’s right, mine was exempted…
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's just stupid

    gun crime has been DECREASING even though the number of guns in private circulation has INCREASED
    To help you get a more complete picture:

    FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The same way all laws are enforced. By arresting and prosecuting those that break the law.
    Catawba, how do I start a new thread?

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    85% of gun owners do not agree with you.

    Why should it? In 19 years it has never been ruled to be an infringement of rights.
    You are talking in circles here. Your link indicated that record keeping was not agreeable yet you ignore that as a "minor" point. It is the major point preventing universal BG checks, registration (record keeping) and the associated high fees. CA has that exact system, including a $35 fee for a single gun transfer. I cannot explain why nobody has sued, but that is clearly an infringement to me. One does not see that fee now, if they buy a new gun, as it is simply built into the FFL dealers markup, but if imposed as a separte fee (tax?), for a private transfer, it would be very visible and thus objectionable.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell us what will be used to prove that a violation took place
    Undercover cop at a gun show or buying a gun advertised online without being required to complete a background check.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To help you get a more complete picture:

    FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts
    I am familiar with those figures. counting suicides is bogus IMHO



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Undercover cop at a gun show or buying a gun advertised online without being required to complete a background check.
    LOL just like drug busts



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