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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No what I am saying is that it is likely that a small number of individual sales will likely be exempted and is therefore a moot point. Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.
    Ok, I am the far right, explain how it will be enforceable...some detail will be appreciated!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Because no gun control will work if not implemented federally. Listen to police chiefs in cities like Chicago and Philly. The laws in those places don't matter when someone can just drive over to the next state and buy firearms. And I agree with you on war on drugs. It was an utter failure and people finally aren't buying into the mythology about marijuana. I still haven't heard any solutions from you, just complaining about what I'm saying. What would you do to solve this you were in charge? Besides nothing because that won't change anything.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, I am the far right, explain how it will be enforceable...some detail will be appreciated!
    he will probably claim that 85% of those polled think it will work

    we have never seen any argument that logically explains that yet

    we can make sure dealers conduct BGC because

    1) we know what (new) guns they receive
    2) they have to record all guns received and sold
    3) and if they received a gun and have no record of it being sold they are in trouble
    4) and if the did record the sale, the 4473 will have the NICS proceed code on it



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's silly. and since I shot my way out of a mugging I have a perspective I doubt you can fathom.


    the problem with the schemes that big government fans advance is that they mainly impact law abiding people (which of course is the intent anyway)

    Yes, I would agree when it comes to gun laws, the restriction impact the law abiding firearms owners. The criminal don't care what the laws are. There is a part of me that says the government has no right to know what weapons I own or have or those of my neighbors. But the government knows I own a gun because I went down to the probate court and renewed my carry permit. So it probably doesn't matter. I guess it all depends on how much one trusts their own government. But one thing to remember, a gun is nothing more than a tool, much like a hammer or a screw driver. How that tool is used depends on the user. I don't know which side to come down on and in the end it probably doesn't matter. After all, being retired military I am all ready on DHS Janet Napolitano list as a potential terrorist.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's just stupid

    gun crime has been DECREASING even though the number of guns in private circulation has INCREASED
    Just as it did in the 50's before it skyrocketed.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    Because no gun control will work if not implemented federally. Listen to police chiefs in cities like Chicago and Philly. The laws in those places don't matter when someone can just drive over to the next state and buy firearms. And I agree with you on war on drugs. It was an utter failure and people finally aren't buying into the mythology about marijuana. I still haven't heard any solutions from you, just complaining about what I'm saying. What would you do to solve this you were in charge? Besides nothing because that won't change anything.
    what crap. you think a war on guns won't be an even bigger failure than a war on drugs. I don't give a damn what police BUREAUCRATS who spend most of their time with their noses up the asses of their anti gun bosses think. 95% of the rank and file (according to a suppressed DOJ study commissioned by Janet Reno in 1996) believed the Brady law was a waste of time. it was as later studies proved.


    What I would do is as follows

    Get rid of federal gun control laws such as the idiotic Hughes Amendment
    get rid of gun free zones
    vigorously apply the second amendment to the states as we have the 1st and 4th and 5th.
    make the castle law universal
    end the war on drugs-there goes 75% of the murders
    hammer those who use guns in real crimes of violence



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.
    Only the far wrong claim to think (and they are lying when they claim this) that such infringements will do anything to reduce violent crime, or that they would not unacceptably violate the rights of honest citizens.

    The far wrong do not care about crime, and they want to violate tbe rights of honest citizens.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's just stupid

    gun crime has been DECREASING even though the number of guns in private circulation has INCREASED
    I'm still waiting for an idea from one of you. :]

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    Just as it did in the 50's before it skyrocketed.
    that has zero relevance to this issue



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No. What is wanted is a registration system and high fees.
    85% of gun owners do not agree with you.


    Currently records must be kept for all BG checks by FFL dealers, that will not "go away".
    Why should it? In 19 years it has never been ruled to be an infringement of rights.
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