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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's silly. and since I shot my way out of a mugging I have a perspective I doubt you can fathom.


    the problem with the schemes that big government fans advance is that they mainly impact law abiding people (which of course is the intent anyway)


    Nope, background checks have not prevented tens of millions of law abiding citizens from buying guns.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    People that want to end their lives will do so regardless of what you do on guns.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, background checks have not prevented tens of millions of law abiding citizens from buying guns.
    that isn't the parameter used to judge a law

    they have not decreased crime rates=that is the proper paradigm

    and here is the problem

    You are a self admitted gun banner
    You want to expand background checks

    put the pieces together



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should there be a paper trail? and do you think gun shows have different rules than other places.

    Suicides are higher in gun free Japan
    That's a stupid question. So when a legally bought gun turns up in a murder law enforcement can figure out who sold it to the mf. Japans is about the same as ours and you still haven't touched our 30,000 murders including mass shootings but nice try.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    That's a stupid question. So when a legally bought gun turns up in a murder law enforcement can figure out who sold it to the mf. Japans is about the same as ours and you still haven't touched our 30,000 murders including mass shootings but nice try.
    And that does exactly what to keep someone from being killed? Explain it to me.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    So you lucked out man. Give me the number of folks who's lives are saved by guns and if it surpasses the 60,000 victims of weapons annually (I'm including suicides) then we can talk about how these policies will affect folks like you verses criminals and people who tragically took their own life.
    many cases of crimes being thwarted by an armed citizen are never reported. Suicides is not relevant. I prefer people who want to off themselves to use a gun. A girl I grew up with became an orphan at 14 because some asshole who wanted to kill himself decided to do it by driving 120 MPH in a pickup the wrong way on I 71 near Cincinnati. The porsche he hit had this girl and her parents in it. She survived, both her parents died but the scumbag suicidal driver lived. the cops should have shot him on the spot and saved the people a hundred thousand in costs putting him back together, providing him counsel etc

    I didn't luck out-I was very well trained. and BTW if I didn't have that Smith and Wesson I would have had to kill both of them with the knife I carried as well. You see if you shoot someone on PCP and you have the gun stuck in their gut it tends to knock them down-the guy survived because I called nearby paramedics. With a knife I would have had to keep cutting until neither one of them moved-ie they would have been dead



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you thinking your proposal is going to be adopted before the bipartisan bill that is being negotiated now?
    No. What is wanted is a registration system and high fees. Currently records must be kept for all BG checks by FFL dealers, that will not "go away". The nonsense that no records are kept, or will be later, is pure fluff. These negotiations are pure puffery. If they had the votes the bill would have been passed long ago. You do not "negotiate" what is 90% popular and easy to pass. Many of the "reasonable" gun control bills are far from reasonable, as the Feinstein bill makes it a crime to have your AW stolen by a "bad guy", it makes it become the owner's fault for not keeping it "unaccessable" to prohibited persons. These congress critters have no clue what systems will work or we would have had one by now. The misson of the gov't is to maximize gov't involvement, preferrably including taxation or "user fees", all else is secondary to them.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    That's a stupid question. So when a legally bought gun turns up in a murder law enforcement can figure out who sold it to the mf. Japans is about the same as ours and you still haven't touched our 30,000 murders including mass shootings but nice try.
    are you really so ignorant of how criminals work to think they are going to leave a gun that is tied to them at the scene of a crime



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    So you lucked out man. Give me the number of folks who's lives are saved by guns and if it surpasses the 60,000 victims of weapons annually (I'm including suicides) then we can talk about how these policies will affect folks like you verses criminals and people who tragically took their own life.
    That is insane. Do you propose banning or heavily restricting ALL means of accomplishing suicide or only scary guns?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And that does exactly what to keep someone from being killed? Explain it to me.
    Well if criminals aren't able to get guns at guns shows the same way they can't in gun shops then of course we'll see the murder rate go down. It's common sense. In the same way when one day someone threw a rock of an overpass and killed someone we now have barricades on all overpasses. In what way does doing nothing solve anything? And you wouldn't like me if I ran things. The one thing no one in DC mentions is how easy it is lie on a background check. Why don't we improve background checks. Base them around the polygraph so we can root out liars and the mentally unhealthy.

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