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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    An opinion shared only by the far right, which represent less than 15% of voters, according to all the national polls.
    I doubt they have a poll that covers everything I said.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, no registry is required. Consider this scenario; I own MANY firearms some of which I inherited from grandparents who purchased them prior to any record keeping. Essentially these are on no record anywhere. If UBC’s are enacted how will me selling them or bequeathing them be enforced? If I sell one of these ‘unidentified’ firearms to my neighbor and he gets into an altercation with it then informs LEO’s that I sold it to him, I can merely deny it as it is his word against mine. Did I break the new UBC law? Sure but how will I be prosecuted wo/proof? Essentially what good is an unenforceable law?

    "The key point that everyone should understand is that Democrats and gun control groups very likely will accept the exemptions and safeguards that will probably end up in the bill. The main goal of Dems and the left is solely to expand the background check system to include virtually all private sales within the law’s current framework, which explicitly guards against the creation of any gun registry."

    Bipartisan deal close on expanded background checks
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I doubt they have a poll that covers everything I said.
    You only have to find a credible poll that backs up your contention that more than a marginal percentage of voters oppose background checks for all gun buyers.
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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You only have to find a credible poll that backs up your contention that more than a marginal percentage of voters oppose background checks for all gun buyers.
    You mean pointing out ambiguously worded poll questions, and poor sample size, or selected polling locations doesn't count? Hm? As with any "opinion" about law...show me a law that makes it through congress and I might care what a poll says. Btw polls are poor representation of opinions. You can only have a small selection of opinions that are not representative of your true opinion...or only represent a shadow of it. You trade quantity with quality if you like. I will stick with legislation and cold hard facts on the subject. And as usual I laugh at your enthusiasm for a completely unenforceable joke of a concept of legislation.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The key point that everyone should understand is that Democrats and gun control groups very likely will accept the exemptions and safeguards that will probably end up in the bill. The main goal of Dems and the left is solely to expand the background check system to include virtually all private sales within the law’s current framework, which explicitly guards against the creation of any gun registry."

    Bipartisan deal close on expanded background checks
    1. You didn't respond to my questions.

    2. Didn't we discuss this article 2 WEEKS AGO when it was published? Has something changed or are you merely retreading a refuted source?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I seriously question that figure. I don't consider a CBS poll to necessarily be unbiased and credible either.
    It's just a poll and. Little more. Can't tell us all that much. But I'm fine with background checks, and don't think it equals support for a constitutional amendment.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You only have to find a credible poll that backs up your contention that more than a marginal percentage of voters oppose background checks for all gun buyers.
    I have said this countless times but I will repeat it once more. A "legal" gun buyer is simply an adult US citizen, that can pass an NICS BG check and may later wish to purchase a gun or ammo. Simply indicating on ALL state issued, photo IDs if that citizen is "GUN OK" after passing a NICS background check would suffice, it also makes it EASY to control (limit) ammo sales as well. This system works for driver's licenses, we do not retest each driver everytime they are stopped while driving, we simply check their ID, to see if they are allowed to drive. This system works for selling alcohol and tobacco, we simply look at the ID to determine if the buyer is of legal age. This system even works for cashing checks, boarding commercial aircraft and registering to vote - we simply look at the person's valid, state issued, photo ID and make informed decisions as to their identity and residence. Why we need to repeat this NICS BG status check at the point of sale, each time, and for ONLY guns is insane. The status can change from GUN OK to not so only after conviction for a felony (or drug charge), being adjudged mentally incompetent or serving a judges restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse; on those rare occasions, simply take away that person's state issued, photo ID and update the NICS database.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It clearly would infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms, which is what the Second Amendment explicitly forbids.

    By definition, you do not need government's permission to exercise a right, and government has no authority to put needless obstacles in the way of your exercise of a right. If government has any authority to determine who may exercise a right, under what conditions, and to impose any arbitrary requirements, then it is not a right, but a privilege. The Second Amendment does not say anything about a “privilege of the people”.
    I guess this just boils down to certain folks thinking any form of regulation violates the 2nd amendment even if those regulations do not stop folks who are mentally stable from acquiring a weapon. Regardless of criminals and mentally unhealthy people having easy access to weapons that are designed to, and excel at taking away life.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    I guess this just boils down to certain folks thinking any form of regulation violates the 2nd amendment even if those regulations do not stop folks who are mentally stable from acquiring a weapon. Regardless of criminals and mentally unhealthy people having easy access to weapons that are designed to, and excel at taking away life.
    As much as you hate it the mentally ill and felons are covered by the second amendment. Go right ahead and check it again if you want though.

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    Exterminate the felons and the mentally ill - problem solved!
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