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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nice strawman!

    Not really. Your position is premised on the idea that you can enforce checks on criminals purchasing guns from private sellers and other criminals. As a consequence of this focus...you aren't concerned about violence or crime...only crime involving guns.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    There is no issue by which the Federal government does not ask these questions:

    1. How can the federal take power from states?
    2. How can we make money off it?
    3. How can we have more power to decide who we do and don't want to imprison?
    4. How can we create more federal jobs including administrative jobs out of it?
    5. How can we create more federal police officers?

    Thus, this is their response to a mass shooting in a school, which has nothing to do with the shooting but everything with those 5 REAL issues to the federal goverment. Nothing else matters.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    NRA (and Jerry) Misfires on Federal Gun Registry

    "The head of the National Rifle Association misfires when he claims the president’s proposal to require background checks for all gun sales will result in a “massive federal registry” of firearms. Current law bars federal agencies from retaining records on those who pass background checks, and nothing in the president’s plan would change that."

    FactCheck.org : NRA Misfires on Federal Gun Registry
    Laws can be changed.Another few more mass shootings and all the anti-2nd amendment trash will demand that records be kept in order to ensure complaiance with the universal background check.Plus this does not prevent state agencies from retaining records.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 (Replying to Catawba) View Post
    Not really. Your position is premised on the idea that you can enforce checks on criminals purchasing guns from private sellers and other criminals. As a consequence of this focus...you aren't concerned about violence or crime...only crime involving guns.
    Not even that. Nothing he's advocated would have any effect on crime, other than to increase it by making “criminals” out of honest, law-abiding citizens who insist on exercising their legitimate Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

    It isn't about crime or safety at all, but about far wrong statism—about establishing government as our master instead of our servant.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Those on the far wrong deny proof which is right in front of their face, claiming that that proof does not exist.
    I've been waiting and waiting for you to provide even one poll by a reputable polling organization that shows any significant public opposition to background checks for all gun buyers, and you've provided none, zero, zip, nada!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Lol. Clearly you are so biased on this topic you can't decipher simple facts about how much of a joke your legislation idea is, and how it is laughs at by those with bad intent.
    An opinion shared only by the far right, which represent less than 15% of voters, according to all the national polls.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Laws can be changed.Another few more mass shootings and all the anti-2nd amendment trash will demand that records be kept in order to ensure complaiance with the universal background check.Plus this does not prevent state agencies from retaining records.
    The far right can wring their hands all they want but it doesn't change the fact than no registry is required by the expanded background checks proposed by the Task Force. 85% of gun owners do not share this paranoia by the far right.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The far right can wring their hands all they want…
    …while the far wrong just keeps repeating the same disproven lies over and over and over again, as if by so doing, they can make the lies come true.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    …while the far wrong just keeps repeating the same disproven lies over and over and over again, as if by so doing, they can make the lies come true.
    Your opinion vs all the credible polling organizations!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The far right can wring their hands all they want but it doesn't change the fact than no registry is required by the expanded background checks proposed by the Task Force. 85% of gun owners do not share this paranoia by the far right.
    Ok, no registry is required. Consider this scenario; I own MANY firearms some of which I inherited from grandparents who purchased them prior to any record keeping. Essentially these are on no record anywhere. If UBC’s are enacted how will me selling them or bequeathing them be enforced? If I sell one of these ‘unidentified’ firearms to my neighbor and he gets into an altercation with it then informs LEO’s that I sold it to him, I can merely deny it as it is his word against mine. Did I break the new UBC law? Sure but how will I be prosecuted wo/proof? Essentially what good is an unenforceable law?
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