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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Clearly, a distinguishing characteristic which separates the far right from the far wrong.

    Fortunately, your side—the far wrong—is not nearly so big as you claim it to be.


    90% of US voters compared to your 34 people!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    90% of US voters compared to your 34 people!
    Repeating the lie over and over and over again will not imbue it with any vestige of truth.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Yes, with some safeguards to protect the rights of gun owners.

    1. A convicted felon with a single offense is barred from gun ownership for a period of time, not indefinitely, provided there are no more offenses. For example, he's barred for 10 years, after which he may own a gun again provided he stays clean.
    2. There should be a few reasonable exceptions, for example, you're giving or selling a gun to a family member whom you obviously know well and know to not have a criminal background. You're not allowed to give or sell to him/her if he is a disqualified felon.
    3. Privacy rights should be guaranteed. The background check information may not be used for anything other than determining the eligibility for the gun purchase.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What do you think will feasibly be passed that is more restrictive than what 90% of voters have supported, background checks for all gun buyers? If you have been keeping up with the bipartisan bills in Congress you would realize that what is likely to get passed is simply and expansion of the NICS system to include private gun sellers.

    So where is the public opposition to expanding background checks? Not even a single solitary national poll? I didn't think so.
    Let me try your debate technique...let's see the legislation!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Better know as immense public support compared to most public issues.
    ...let's see the legislation!


    Whether it gets passed by this congress or the next one, doesn't negate the almost unanimous support from voters to for background checks for all gun buyers.
    ...let's see the legislation!
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is that the new bumper sticker for the far right?
    No, this is...let's see the legislation!
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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    Why are some people against universal background checks? What makes this any different than background checks for other reasons?
    They are a waste of time. They also unfairly advantage the rich.

    The idea of a universal background check is to force me to sell my gun through an FFL dealer, even if I were to sell to my brother. That would cost time and money. The law ASSUMES that people would follow it. The only people that would follow it are you and me, the law abiding citizens. Catawba doesn't grasp that concept.

    Anyone already selling guns illegally would continue to do so. Background checks at a retail establishment are one thing. You risk revenue, you have an established location, witnesses, social security numbers, and a million other ways to track someone who breaks the law and sells to a criminal. On top of that no criminals are being prosecuted for trying to purchase guns (and lying on the form is what they would be prosecuted for).

    Now. How would someone police a private sale? If I just decide screw the law, and I trade my brother a handgun for a dirt bike.....well who is going to know? He isn't a criminal. There is no record of that gun. I didn't sell it to him (technically). And if I were a criminal who hasnt been caught yet: that gun could have been stolen already. Or I just report my gun stolen after I sell it...and boom I am now a victim.

    The whole concept is misleading. It is ignorant of how enforcement works, and it is ignorant of how criminals work. It only punishes law abiding citizens and forces us to jump through yet another hoop despite the overwhelming evidence that the problem is not with guns, and the overwhelming evidence that the laws in place are not enforced.
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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Yes, with some safeguards to protect the rights of gun owners.

    1. A convicted felon with a single offense is barred from gun ownership for a period of time, not indefinitely, provided there are no more offenses. For example, he's barred for 10 years, after which he may own a gun again provided he stays clean.
    2. There should be a few reasonable exceptions, for example, you're giving or selling a gun to a family member whom you obviously know well and know to not have a criminal background. You're not allowed to give or sell to him/her if he is a disqualified felon.
    3. Privacy rights should be guaranteed. The background check information may not be used for anything other than determining the eligibility for the gun purchase.
    The problem is that with rule 3 there is no guarantee. There is no privacy either.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    90% of US voters compared to your 34 people!
    Hm. Forbes doesn't seem to think you are accurate.

    Has Public Opinion Really Changed Regarding Gun Control? - Forbes

    That is gun control of course. Now let's combine that with the ambuguity of the question of "universal background checks."

    EVEN CNN doesn't understand how to purchase a gun legally. There section on "universal background checks" is HILARIOUS.

    'Universal background check:' What does it mean? - CNN.com

    On top of the horrendous misinformation in this article...there is also the fact that MOST gun show sellers are licensed dealers required to do background checks. The "legal loophole" talk is a hilarious joke. The fact is that this panic stricken concept of "universal background checks" is a poor excuse for a registry for banishment that anti-gun nutters are salivating over. You have clearly demonstrated your lack of a willingness to understand or even read up on this stuff, so I am aware that my posting is irrelevant. You will invariably post something call me a far right 10%er...but you should honestly consider the irrelevance of background checks on private citizens who have never violated the law. That is who you desire to target. That is also who you are impacting. You won't impact criminals.

    But at least there is no legislation for this. And a majority of Americans will suppot the shooting down any attempt at the legislation.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Yes, with some safeguards to protect the rights of gun owners.

    1. A convicted felon with a single offense is barred from gun ownership for a period of time, not indefinitely, provided there are no more offenses. For example, he's barred for 10 years, after which he may own a gun again provided he stays clean.
    2. There should be a few reasonable exceptions, for example, you're giving or selling a gun to a family member whom you obviously know well and know to not have a criminal background. You're not allowed to give or sell to him/her if he is a disqualified felon.
    3. Privacy rights should be guaranteed. The background check information may not be used for anything other than determining the eligibility for the gun purchase.

    Most 2nd amendment rights advocates do not trust the government to do that. Many see this as attempt to enact a back door registration or to pave the way for registration in order to ensure compliance with universal background check law. A no records keeping rule can be put into this bill, but it will not prevent some anti-2nd amendment politicians months or years from now repealing that, nor will it prevent a anti-2nd amendment politician at the state level mandating that records be kept at the state level.
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