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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you deny saying that the government should have that power?
    All you have to do is provide the quote from the poster and the matter can then move on.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
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    So everything the Constitution does not specifically restrict it's citizens from doing/owning means they should be able to do/own without any background check or restrictions?

    Okay.

    So then by your logic, any American should be able to fly a plane or build a nuclear reactor or drive any size of vehicle/boat (including ocean liners) or sell heroin or practise medicine or sell weapons to other countries and so on...all WITHOUT ANY federal restrictions.



    And where exactly in the post you quoted did I say ANYTHING about ownership restrictions?

    The answer is: I did not.

    I strictly was talking about background checks.
    Here is PART of the quote I was discussing

    It appears you did say that congress can act without a constitutional foundation

    IF that is not what you intended I am all ears-er eyes

    but I have to leave, BBL tonight



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you deny saying that the government should have that power?


    What power?

    And you did not answer my question...

    So everything the Constitution does not specifically restrict it's citizens from doing/owning means they should be able to do/own without any background check or restrictions?

    Yes or no?
    Last edited by DA60; 02-27-13 at 09:36 AM.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Here is PART of the quote I was discussing

    It appears you did say that congress can act without a constitutional foundation

    IF that is not what you intended I am all ears-er eyes

    but I have to leave, BBL tonight
    no offence, but can you not recognize the difference between a statement and a question?

    I did not make a statement in the part you quote - I asked you a question (that's why there is a '?' at the end of the sentence). And I have asked you it twice now.

    Now are you going to answer it or not?
    Last edited by DA60; 02-27-13 at 09:44 AM.

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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The proof is that background checks haven't stopped law abiding citizens from buying tens of millions of guns.

    Show us your proof of how background checks have prevented law abiding citizens from buying guns..............
    Do you have proof that universal background checks would stop criminals?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's rich coming from one of your posts. You want to pass new laws that have no constitutional authority and won't even apply to many criminals. YOU have the DUTY to prove that your proposed law will actually benefit society (hassling conservatives is not a benefit btw). You have utterly failed to do that. WHEN we point out all the problems in your bill, what do you do? Do you actually bring forth empirical data demonstrating your schemes will decrease crime? NO

    You do one or two things

    1) Whine that 90% of the public supports what you want without any real proof

    2) repeat the same crap of "extreme right wing"

    Its already been proven to 90% of voters. 1.8 million gun sales have been prevented by background checks under the 1994 law.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its already been proven to 90% of voters. 1.8 million gun sales have been prevented by background checks under the 1994 law.

    1) yet only 277 prosecutions resulted

    2) and you cannot say if those stopped were actually prevented from acquiring a weapon from another source

    and most importantly-and the issue you have avoided

    3) is that there is ZERO evidence that the law actually caused crime to go down



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Do you have proof that universal background checks would stop criminals?
    "From the inception of the Brady Act on March 1, 1994, through December 31, 2009, over 1.9 million gun purchase applications have been denied, up from 1.8 million through the end of 2008.

    In 2009, 150,000 attempts-to-purchase by dangerous people were blocked by Brady background checks. A felony conviction or indictment was the most common reason for a denial by a state (39%), a local agency (22%), or the FBI (49%) in 2009. A domestic violence misdemeanor conviction or restraining order was the second most common reason for denial by a state (14%) or local agency (16%) in 2009.

    Records of persons ineligible to possess a firearm due to a mental health commitment or adjudication increased 37% in the NICS Index during 2009; overall, the number of records in the index increased 4%."

    Citation: Bureau of Justice Statistics, Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, 2009 - Statistical Tables, October 20, 2010

    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Studies

    For further documentation if you are interested:

    # Memo: Examples of Guns Trafficked from Private Sellers at Gun Shows to Prohibited Purchasers
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    CSGV Report: America's Gun Shows: Open Markets for Criminals
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    CSGV Report: Debunking a Myth: The Gun Lobby's Claim That Less Than 1% of Crime Guns Come from Gun Shows

    From this link - Gun Show Loophole - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "From the inception of the Brady Act on March 1, 1994, through December 31, 2009, over 1.9 million gun purchase applications have been denied, up from 1.8 million through the end of 2008.

    In 2009, 150,000 attempts-to-purchase by dangerous people were blocked by Brady background checks. A felony conviction or indictment was the most common reason for a denial by a state (39%), a local agency (22%), or the FBI (49%) in 2009. A domestic violence misdemeanor conviction or restraining order was the second most common reason for denial by a state (14%) or local agency (16%) in 2009.

    Records of persons ineligible to possess a firearm due to a mental health commitment or adjudication increased 37% in the NICS Index during 2009; overall, the number of records in the index increased 4%."

    Citation: Bureau of Justice Statistics, Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, 2009 - Statistical Tables, October 20, 2010

    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Studies

    For further documentation if you are interested:

    # Memo: Examples of Guns Trafficked from Private Sellers at Gun Shows to Prohibited Purchasers
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    CSGV Report: America's Gun Shows: Open Markets for Criminals
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    CSGV Report: Debunking a Myth: The Gun Lobby's Claim That Less Than 1% of Crime Guns Come from Gun Shows

    From this link - Gun Show Loophole - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
    How many were jailed or prosecuted over this?


    And would these same stats apply in a private sale? This isn't proof about private sale. We clearly need to look at other federal attempts to block private sale to see if it is possible. Given the history of alcohol or drugs...it isn't.

    Oh. Did crime go down?
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    Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So background checks do not prevent law abiding people from purchasing guns, as some in the far right claim.
    Depends. Who so I purchase from? It limits me monetarily.
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