What is your point here? If she is still living under her parents welfare, then she isn't collecting it herself. Therefore, she is not using any additional taxpayer monies and does NOT have her own claim to welfare benefits.
I don't understand how this point goes against long-term birth control. Welfare fraud happens. No plan would be perfect.
Good Lord! I already said that when someone applies for benefits for a child or children, that is when the sign a form to agree to implantation of a long-term birth control method (the pill would probably be least preferable option), have the device implanted and see a physician on a regular basis to ensure compliance. Anyone who is on birth control is supposed to be under the care of a physician anyway, so that is nothing out of the ordinary.
Then the children become her family's issue and not the state or the taxpayer since she has not opened her own claim. Again, long-term birth control, NOT sterilization. There is a BIG difference there.
OMG!
These same loop holes exist NOW.
If you're talking about sterilization, then you are not addressing me. Like I've said about a billion times I'm talking about LONG-TERM BIRTH CONTROL.
This is just silliness. Having a person who cannot afford to have children use birth control is just plain old common sense. You must know this.
I am NOT talking about long-term birth control.
I am talking about the law you seem to agree with that the state can sterilize anyone that wants welfare.
I could care less about the birth rate in this context.
I care about what is right and wrong.
And welfare sterilization IS wrong.
And you are not understanding my points.
My point is that a grandparent (who would not need to be sterilized or maybe already is) could become the legal guardian of all the children that their children and grandchildren have. That way they could claim welfare for themselves AND for their dependents.
Meanwhile, the parents of these children could live for free in their parents/grandparents home(claiming they were renting a room or something - which they were not) that the state pays for.
Yes, they would have to look after other expenses - but the state would pay their rent.
And they could have as many children as they wanted (provided they did not apply for selfare) and simply turn over custody to their grandparents who can raise them at the state's expense - all without ANY of them having to be sterilized.
Imo, there is no way this program would either save the government money OR significantly lower the long term birth rate among the poor.