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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm not saying there are no such programs, I'm saying "what if there aren't?"
    And in response to that question, I said, "the next step would be working on a more effective foster care and adoption system."

    I don't think it would "screw up society," I think it could decrease the "screwed up" already in society.
    I think it would for the reasons I stated in my previous posts.

    I don't think you can guarantee the latter, but I see what you're saying.
    Okay.

    I really think, especially this day and age, that it's mostly class differences and that these are mistaken for race differences.
    I complete disagree with that. I think that the racial component to policies that affect certain classes are either consciously or unconsciously ignored by many people within society. When a policy significantly affects a particularly race or ethnicity, then it's a race/ethnicity issue whether or not that race/ethnicity just happens to be within the affected class.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I put "undecided" because I am torn on the issue. On the one hand, I don't want the government to have that much control over my life. On the other hand, it would take care of rampant breeding by welfare mothers, plus so many other problems.

    It's funny you started this thread - there was an idiot on I-95 the other day, zipping in and out of traffic, weaving, causing people to slam on their brakes, etc. He was driving really erratically. He got off at our exit, and we saw a small child in the back seat. Anybody who's ever been on I-95 knows what a zoo that place is, 24/7. And to be driving this way with a child in the car? I told my husband that very thing - that not everybody should be able to breed.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I complete disagree with that. I think that the racial component to policies that affect certain classes are either consciously or unconsciously ignored by many people within society. When a policy significantly affects a particularly race or ethnicity, then it's a race/ethnicity issue whether or not that race/ethnicity just happens to be within the affected class.
    I think this is case-in-point to what I was saying. If I implement a policy that is based on income, let's say for the sake of argument that people under the poverty line are suddenly prohibited from having children until they demonstrate a year of earning above the poverty line... and this policy ends up affecting 30% of blacks, 25% of Latinos, and 18% of whites.... is that a race-based policy? Is it a race issue? I understand if people turn it into one, but that's where the mistake happens.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The idea of anyone owning another independent living thing is detestable on its face. At most, you are charged with being their guardian or care-taker. To say that ones own them means you may do whatever you like with them, and if that is true, there's no reason why slavery should be illegal.
    Not necessarily...

    There is a lot of things you may own and cannot do whatever you want with it.

    A child, in this society, is pretty much a slave until it reaches adulthood or whatever age.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
    The only reason it seems illogical, is because we try to prevent the problems which are a result of the inept and unprepared breeding. If government would just take a hands-off approach, and leave people to solve their own problems, we wouldn't see the problems associated with poor choices.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I voted yes, there are way too many uncontrolled kids today. Many parents simply turn them loose on society.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I put "undecided" because I am torn on the issue. On the one hand, I don't want the government to have that much control over my life. On the other hand, it would take care of rampant breeding by welfare mothers, plus so many other problems.

    It's funny you started this thread - there was an idiot on I-95 the other day, zipping in and out of traffic, weaving, causing people to slam on their brakes, etc. He was driving really erratically. He got off at our exit, and we saw a small child in the back seat. Anybody who's ever been on I-95 knows what a zoo that place is, 24/7. And to be driving this way with a child in the car? I told my husband that very thing - that not everybody should be able to breed.
    It would have zero control over responsible parents.

    Also, since licensure would be hard to monitor, just do it like I suggested - unlicensed mothers get no assistance. It's that simple. Unlicensed drivers can still get behind the wheel and start a car. If they get in a wreck, they're screwed.

    Same applies here.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Not necessarily...

    There is a lot of things you may own and cannot do whatever you want with it.

    A child, in this society, is pretty much a slave until it reaches adulthood or whatever age.
    What can you not do anything you like with, excluding things that harm others?

    I find that view sick, personally.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Of course not. That so many answered yes shows just how many people want the government to have total control over people.

    The great revolutions for individual freedoms and winning individual libertiy won in the late 1700s thru the early 1920s is a rapidly vanishing era unique in world history.
    It is surprising how many people want, even demand, a totalitarian government to control, restrict and regulate every aspect of their lives.

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