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Thread: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would much rather not support past a certain amount of children than what is being talked about in here.
    Eliminating welfare is a superior approach. However, ALL government entitlements need to go- not just for the low income people.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    When you receive money from an entity, you are beholden to that entity. So what can people do to preserve their freedom? Achieve self sufficiency at all costs.
    Self sufficiency usually entails receiving money from an entity of some form or another. Using that definition a welfare check is no more slavery than a regular ole' job I'm afraid. Save the "security for liberty" quote for a Patriot Act thread or something.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Eliminating welfare is a superior approach. However, ALL government entitlements need to go- not just for the low income people.
    Welfare for the poor is actually just welfare for the rich, so yeah, both should go.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Eliminating welfare is a superior approach. However, ALL government entitlements need to go- not just for the low income people.
    I don't want to see welfare end. I want to see it used as it was meant to be used, as a way to get temporary help when someone falls upon bad times and a way to even better oneself so that they can escape the cycle of poverty. I am totally sympathetic to someone who needs a helping hand because they fell on hard times or perhaps even made a mistake or an error in judgment. I don't believe in enabling irresponsible behavior though.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Self sufficiency usually entails receiving money from an entity of some form or another. Using that definition a welfare check is no more slavery than a regular ole' job I'm afraid.
    No, self-sufficiency is the result of one's productive output, while dependency is the reliance on others productive output to provide you with your "perceived" needs...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Self sufficiency usually entails receiving money from an entity of some form or another. Using that definition a welfare check is no more slavery than a regular ole' job I'm afraid. Save the "security for liberty" quote for a Patriot Act thread or something.
    Say wut?

    Self sufficiency is the opposite of what you just said. Please research the concept a bit.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't want to see welfare end. I want to see it used as it was meant to be used, as a way to get temporary help when someone falls upon bad times and a way to even better oneself so that they can escape the cycle of poverty. I am totally sympathetic to someone who needs a helping hand because they fell on hard times or perhaps even made a mistake or an error in judgment. I don't believe in enabling irresponsible behavior though.
    Some type of localized help from the community would be ideal. I've been in bad times so I get it too. But this current system is terrible.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Self sufficiency usually entails receiving money from an entity of some form or another. Using that definition a welfare check is no more slavery than a regular ole' job I'm afraid. Save the "security for liberty" quote for a Patriot Act thread or something.
    When you are self sufficient you are giving back to the community and contributing to the taxpayer base. When you are dependent for survival you are no longer a contributing member of society. That is the difference. Dependence on the government shouldn't be encouraged or enabled.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Say wut?

    Self sufficiency is the opposite of what you just said. Please research the concept a bit.
    Let's put this in simpler terms. I receive a check from my employer. A company. An entity. I am no more beholden to said employer than a welfare recipient is to the federal branch, nor is either of us sacrificing our individual freedom. Just drop that whole analogy and move on.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Some type of localized help from the community would be ideal. I've been in bad times so I get it too. But this current system is terrible.
    That is kind of what I liked about DA60's idea about community-based shelters, kind of like housing but on a larger scale where all basic necessities are provided, doing away completely with the current check and food stamps system. Then it is almost assured that the money is being spent on an as-needed basis and on a temporary basis, of course, until a person can get back on their feet without making their situation worse.

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