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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    bzzzzzt.. wrong.

    The security I'm referring to is food, shelter, and the right to be comfortable among other things. This is the mindset of 21st century America. Sit back and relax. Someone else will get it.
    Well, in that case, what freedom does a welfare recipient cough up in exchange for their bounty?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Hmmm. That's actually a good point. I haven't thought of that angle yet. But I could still say that they are using public assistance; and WE are not obligated to support them on their terms. WE do it out of the kindness of our hearts and sympathy and because we want a healthy society. There is nothing wrong with stipulations in order to receive the benefits IMO.
    How about instead of micro managing citizens we just put limits on how long people receive assistance? Seems a lot easier if you ask me.

    That can happen to anyone who takes birth control, and they would be under the care of a physician. Most of the time, complications are relatively minor. Serious complications are relatively rare. If there are complications, there are MANY methods to choose from. If the rare instance should occur where there are no viable birth control options, exceptions could be made, and a box of condoms wouldn't hurt.
    If a person is required to do something as a condition in a contract then it is the Governements responsibility to pay for any health hazards inflicted by the contract. Its simple liability law.




    So, then everybody's happy. What's the problem? The person is not bringing more children into a bad situation and is not using additional public assistance.
    And so its ok for a person to endlessly be on government assistance as long as they dont have any more kids?


    The military WORKS to earn their money. They give back in a BIG way. That is not even remotely comparable.
    Yes they give in a big way but their kids do not. Why should we have to pay for their kids? Let me ask you something. How many people on government assistance are exploiting it? And of those exploiters how many are actively having more children?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    LMAO

    GOOD BOY lol

    LMAO


    LOL .
    If the gov offers someone money to get their tubes tied, and they take it, that does not equal force. The fact is, the poor are always disadvantaged and always will be. However, receiving money for merely existing and not being saddled with even more kids is an advantage. Plain and simple. At no time in history has it been so easy to survive than in today's America. Take stroll through our supermarkets and look at all the people who would be dead if it weren't for handouts and electric carts. As a society, we have become weak and self entitled. This isn't a statement of judgment as many people will claim, but instead an observation. This is not sustainable.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    How about instead of micro managing citizens we just put limits on how long people receive assistance? Seems a lot easier if you ask me.
    We already have that, and what happens is the person has another child, and therefore the "time allotted" starts all over again once the new child is conceived. The pregnancy, any complications that occur during the pregnancy to either the mother or fetus, the birthing and delivery and any complications, and then the new baby - all paid for with taxpayer dollars.


    If a person is required to do something as a condition in a contract then it is the Governements responsibility to pay for any health hazards inflicted by the contract. Its simple liability law.
    They (or WE) already do that whenever someone is collecting public assistance. Their medical care is already paid for. If there are any pregnancy or child-birth/bearing complications, we are responsible for that too.



    And so its ok for a person to endlessly be on government assistance as long as they dont have any more kids?
    Of course not. The original idea for public assistance was temporary help during financial hardship. It was NEVER meant for people to depend upon for support like some do. It was never meant to allow people to have MORE children that they cannot afford. That was never the concept. Educational opportunities abound when you are collecting, and a lot for free. The idea is to better yourself so that you can be independent, not to make your situation even WORSE than when you began.

    Yes they give in a big way but their kids do not. Why should we have to pay for their kids? Let me ask you something. How many people on government assistance are exploiting it? And of those exploiters how many are actively having more children?
    We don't pay for their kids. They do. They work for their money and use that money to pay for their own children. Working for the government is completely different than receiving public assistance. Stop trying to be coy. It isn't working.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Well, in that case, what freedom does a welfare recipient cough up in exchange for their bounty?
    When you receive money from an entity, you are beholden to that entity. So what can people do to preserve their freedom? Achieve self sufficiency at all costs.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    If the gov offers someone money to get their tubes tied, and they take it, that does not equal force. The fact is, the poor are always disadvantaged and always will be. However, receiving money for merely existing and not being saddled with even more kids is an advantage. Plain and simple. At no time in history has it been so easy to survive than in today's America. Take stroll through our supermarkets and look at all the people who would be dead if it weren't for handouts and electric carts. As a society, we have become weak and self entitled. This isn't a statement of judgment as many people will claim, but instead an observation. This is not sustainable.
    you are mixing multiple conversation sorry and you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to what i have ACTUALLY said

    so please address things i actually said in the context i said them so it makes sense instead of a rambling that is meaningless to any points i have made

    could also finally answer the question of whats the punishment for having a kid without a license.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you are mixing multiple conversation sorry and you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to what i have ACTUALLY said

    so please address things i actually said in the context i said them so it makes sense instead of a rambling that is meaningless to any points i have made

    could also finally answer the question of whats the punishment for having a kid without a license.
    uh huh. Your concession is duly noted. Thanks.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    uh huh. Your concession is duly noted. Thanks.
    yep thats what i thought, STILL didnt even answer the question
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    People seem to forget that nothing in life is guaranteed. Not even your next breath. So how is it reasonable in this world to be able to have as many children as you'd like without the consequences involved? People should be free to have how ever many children they are capable of supporting without gov assistance. No more.
    I would much rather not support past a certain amount of children than what is being talked about in here.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I voted NO in the OP poll. I do not support punishing people for having kids, nor do I support requiring a license. This would make the fourth time that I've point this out.

    Thanks again.

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