I am talking about the law you seem to agree with that the state can sterilize anyone that wants welfare.
I could care less about the birth rate in this context.
I care about what is right and wrong.
And welfare sterilization IS wrong.
And you are not understanding my points.
My point is that a grandparent (who would not need to be sterilized or maybe already is) could become the legal guardian of all the children that their children and grandchildren have. That way they could claim welfare for themselves AND for their dependents.
Meanwhile, the parents of these children could live for free in their parents/grandparents home(claiming they were renting a room or something - which they were not) that the state pays for.
Yes, they would have to look after other expenses - but the state would pay their rent.
And they could have as many children as they wanted (provided they did not apply for selfare) and simply turn over custody to their grandparents who can raise them at the state's expense - all without ANY of them having to be sterilized.
Imo, there is no way this program would either save the government money OR significantly lower the long term birth rate among the poor.