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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry, but there is nothing in the Constitution about collecting taxpayer monies to support your family.
    im sorry can you point to where i said there was?

    nothing like skirting what i said
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) thats great you feel that way, entrapping unsound mind adults is not one of them, please stay on topic lol
    also ZEFs involve TWO people, children do not.
    The act of child abuse involves two people, the child and the abuser. The act of fetal abuse involves two "people," the fetus and the abuser.

    2.) depending on what "damage" to the fetus you are talking about there are none that id be willing to let this country pursue that i know of, nor would i want it to pursue it.

    But again it depends on what you are referring to specifically.
    Hm, let me think, alcohol, cannabis, amphetamines, opioids, hallucinogens, inhalants, nicotine, benzodiazepines, cocaine... you advise that women abusing these never be restricted in their liberties in order to protect the fetus they're carrying from further abuse?

    And you're calling me illogical?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    im sorry can you point to where i said there was?

    nothing like skirting what i said
    Well, it's an entirely different situation then, isn't it? When someone is costing everyone else money and bringing a child into a bad situation and making a bad situation worse, and they are too stupid (or whatever) to use birth control on their own, I don't see a problem with having that be a stipulation to collecting taxpayer monies, especially since collecting welfare is NOT a constitutional right.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, birth control. That's just awful and so inconvenient.
    I have nothing against birth control. I do however have a problem with forced birth control. My point was actually reflecting on the warnings sounded when all of this got started that when the government paid the bills they called the shots and this reaches into everything and reaches far beyond just the services rendered. As we have seen in this country and in other countries around the world this warning has proven itself over and over again to have merit behind it. This topic is actually a wonderful example of just that is all.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have nothing against birth control. I do however have a problem with forced birth control. My point was actually reflecting on the warnings sounded when all of this got started that when the government paid the bills they called the shots and this reaches into everything and reaches far beyond just the services rendered. As we have seen in this country and in other countries around the world this warning has proven itself over and over again to have merit behind it. This topic is actually a wonderful example of just that is all.
    It's not forced. If you don't want to use birth control, then don't collect services. If you go hungry, you have nobody to blame but yourself for being a dumbass.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    1.)The act of child abuse involves two people, the child and the abuser. The act of fetal abuse involves two "people," the fetus and the abuser.



    2.)Hm, let me think, alcohol, cannabis, amphetamines, opioids, hallucinogens, inhalants, nicotine, benzodiazepines, cocaine... you advise that women abusing these never be restricted in their liberties in order to protect the fetus they're carrying from further abuse?

    And you're calling me illogical?
    1.) wrong it involves a victim and a assailant that are SEPARATE

    trying to legislate something for the woman or the zef makes the LAW make one of the other a victum. TOTALLY different.

    2.) again can you point ot where i asid its ok to abuse frugs while pregnant? LMAO

    thats right i didnt, just another thing you are making up, another appeal to emotion because you cant logically do anything else

    what i DID say is that unsound mind people shouldnt be entrapped, again please stay on topic and dont randomly make things up lol

    CONTRACTS can be voided and illegal if it can be proven one party was entrapped or not of sound mind and you want permanent medical procedures to take place, YES thats illogical
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    It's NOT against any constitutional rights since collecting taxpayer dollars to support your family is NOT a right.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why is it better to force children into a life of poverty than to force a mom to take birth control?
    The child is not forced into a life of poverty, but just a greater chance of not being able to pull out of it.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, it's an entirely different situation then, isn't it? When someone is costing everyone else money and bringing a child into a bad situation and making a bad situation worse, and they are too stupid (or whatever) to use birth control on their own, I don't see a problem with having that be a stipulation to collecting taxpayer monies, especially since collecting welfare is NOT a constitutional right.
    then you just answered your own question then, fight for welfare or child care or tax reform then you dont step all of over the constitution and rape someone of their personal freedom, liberties and rights.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's not forced. If you don't want to use birth control, then don't collect services. If you go hungry, you have nobody to blame but yourself for being a dumbass.
    And right there is a the reasoning offered for whatever it might be. If the person is collecting services somehow people think its fine to do whatever the state wants with them.

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