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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Are these people that you are talking about breaking some kind of law?
    Well if the scenario was real they would be.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's odd how some people consider a pregnancy to be an "assault" on their bodies and also consider birth control to be an "assault" on their bodies. What the hell?
    i think people are bothered by "sterilization" being offered to unsound people by entrapping them with money

    but you have it wrong, what most people think that "ASSAULT" is, is the FORCE not the pregnancy or the BC themselves
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I see people are pushing for what people warned against a century ago when considering the welfare state.
    Yes, birth control. That's just awful and so inconvenient.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I agree with that too what your point? What does that have to do with anything or why is it relevant to what i said?

    theres nothing logical about offering addicts and unsound mind people money for medical procedure that is permanent
    It's absolutely logical. As I said in my first post on this thread, the issue is that it's controversial and believed to be an infringement on liberty. What I said that you bolded is relevant because it shows that only a minority of states consider fetuses to have rights to be protected against their impaired mother's substance abuse behaviors. This indicates to me that the fixation is on the mother even to the detriment of the unborn baby.

    please list the people here that think its ok to abuse drugs while pregnant or were you just appealing to emotion
    I'm not suggesting anyone considers it OK, what I'm suggesting is that they're neglecting the responsibility we have to protect fetuses from their own abusive mothers. And I'm not even one of your standard "pro-life" folks. I'm just anti-fetal-abuse.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i think people are bothered by "sterilization" being offered to unsound people by entrapping them with money

    but you have it wrong, what most people think that "ASSAULT" is, is the FORCE not the pregnancy or the BC themselves
    Well, it's also FORCE when we have to pay to support these people and their terrible choices, not to mention assault on the poor children who don't have any choices in the matter.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    1.)It's absolutely logical. As I said in my first post on this thread, the issue is that it's controversial and believed to be an infringement on liberty. What I said that you bolded is relevant because it shows that only a minority of states consider fetuses to have rights to be protected against their impaired mother's substance abuse behaviors. This indicates to me that the fixation is on the mother even to the detriment of the unborn baby.



    2.)I'm not suggesting anyone considers it OK, what I'm suggesting is that they're neglecting the responsibility we have to protect fetuses from their own abusive mothers.
    1.) nope it fails the logic test once we are talking about unsound minded people
    thats illogical

    2.) and your way neglects the responsibility to not take advantage of unsound minded people sorry theres others ways
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, it's also FORCE when we have to pay to support these people and their terrible choices, not to mention assault on the poor children who don't have any choices in the matter.
    Why is it better to force children into a life of poverty than to force a mom to take birth control?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think he admitted his stance is not a libertarian stance.
    It's certainly not. I was indicting those participating in the forum who labeled themselves as such. Libertarianism would be an expected ally in the cause of anti-eugenics, but Henrin, on this forum (which does not mean that folks like Ikari, yourself, and others are not represented for rightful dissent against such policies), I have actually had far more confrontations with self-professed libertarians on these matters than almost any other group (with a small number of progressives and leftists along the way). Again, libertarians would be overwhelming potential allies in this one public policy square, but on this forum, I have run into far too many libertarians that bad mouth people with disabilities-wanting them to not exist, calling them literally less than human, wanting sterilization, and so forth.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, it's also FORCE when we have to pay to support these people and their terrible choices, not to mention assault on the poor children who don't have any choices in the matter.
    taxes arent going anywhere so theres no sense of worrying about that

    if you are worried about the poor children then you shouldnt be worried about the taxes that might/could help them
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why is it better to force children into a life of poverty than to force a mom to take birth control?
    nobody is saying that but how far are you willing to go to destroy americans freedons, rights and liberties?

    Id rather reform healthcare, foster-care and child care before i force medical procedure or meds on a person against their will, no thanks
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