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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Does she have a child of her own and collecting services for herself and her child? If not, then no. BTW, I'm talking about long-term BC now because sterilization is too permanent.



    Again, this is about the person who has an open claim receiving welfare benefits with at least one child. The child of someone collecting would not count because it is not "her" claim.








    Again, refer to above. The long-term BC would only apply to the person who is claiming benefits for themselves and their child/children.




    Lol! What?



    Not sure what you mean by "time limits." Regular visits to a physician to ensure compliance with long-term BC, which anyone on birth control is supposed to do anyway.
    Well, then, why can the child not stay with the parent indefinitely and keep claiming benefits through her parents extra welfare income for having dependents?

    This would allow her to receive (indirectly) welfare benefits as an adult without having to be sterilized - would it not (since she is technically a dependent)? At least until she wanted to have children.


    Also, what happens if a 14 year old child of a welfare parent had a baby? Would she have to be sterilized to remain with her parent?
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Theres a place that does something like this its called China.
    No, I think you know there is a BIG difference. China's laws are nationwide and apply to everyone and anyone. In this scenario, it would only be applied to those who have proven that they cannot support themselves or their child/children and who are collecting services at the expense of the taxpayers and government.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yeah im not on board with that.

    The long term BC(depending on how long of a term) would be ok but not the sterilization. Im shocked its legal and wont be surprised if its not for long.
    I'm shocked that more states don't consider substance abuse during pregnancy to be criminal child abuse.

    STATE POLICIES IN BRIEF: Substance Abuse During Pregnancy

    Whereas some find the practice of offering money for sterilization (even by private citizens) to be immoral, I wonder how they rank this immorality compared to drug abuse during pregnancy.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Well, then, why can the child not stay with the parent indefinitely and keep claiming benefits through her parents extra welfare income for having dependents? This would allow her to receive (indirectly) welfare benefits as an adult without having to be sterilized - would it not? At least until she wanted to have children.
    I don't understand your question here. You cannot collect welfare for adult children. They are independent from their parents once they are an adult - a completely separate entity and responsible for their own lives.

    Also, what happens if a 14 year old child of a welfare parent had a baby? Would she have to be sterilized to remain with her parent?
    Again, I told you that I'm talking about long-term birth control. That 14-year-old would be considered a separate entity from her parents as well. If you are that age and you become a parent, you are eligible to collect welfare only if you have documentation that you buy and prepare your own food separately from your parents and that you pay some kind of room and board or rent to stay with them. Otherwise, the under-aged mother and her child would be considered part of the parent's family. That is how it works now, and I see no reason for that to change.

    I never said it was a "perfect" plan. I said it would help out.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I see people are pushing for what people warned against a century ago when considering the welfare state.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's NOT authoritarian to expect people to practice common sense and use birth control when they cannot afford to support the children that they already have, or themselves for that matter. It is simply common sense to prevent people who cannot support their own from having anymore until they CAN support them. It is just CRAZY for the state to provide for someone and to allow them to continue to have children.
    Common sense cannot be legislated or forced on the population.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    It's odd how some people consider a pregnancy to be an "assault" on their bodies and also consider birth control to be an "assault" on their bodies. What the hell?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    No, I think you know there is a BIG difference. China's laws are nationwide and apply to everyone and anyone. In this scenario, it would only be applied to those who have proven that they cannot support themselves or their child/children and who are collecting services at the expense of the taxpayers and government.
    Are these people that you are talking about breaking some kind of law?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm shocked that more states don't consider substance abuse during pregnancy to be criminal child abuse.

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    Substance Abuse During Pregnancy

    Whereas some find the practice of offering money for sterilization (even by private citizens) to be immoral, I wonder how they rank this immorality compared to drug abuse during pregnancy.
    I agree with that too what your point? What does that have to do with anything or why is it relevant to what i said?

    theres nothing logical about offering addicts and unsound mind people money for medical procedure that is permanent

    please list the people here that think its ok to abuse drugs while pregnant or were you just appealing to emotion
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Common sense cannot be legislated or forced on the population.
    I don't see why it can't be if someone is collecting taxpayer monies to support children. Long-term birth control is a simple solution that normally has little if any complications.

    Like I specified earlier, if there were any kind of complications, the birth control can be stopped because these people would be under the care of a physician like anyone else who takes birth control.

    It's simple. If you can't support your children and yourself, and you want public aid, then use birth control so that you aren't a burden on society and so that we can limit the suffering of children.

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