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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I didn't "run away", Chris. It's morning. I'm getting ready to leave. I'm sorry you're so impatient.

    No, I don't think it's appropriate for people to have children they cannot afford. Many things are inappropriate, but I'm not going to support laws against them. I think we need to have a temporary solution for people who are out of work and a permanent solution for those who aren't physically able to work. I'm not against welfare as a whole. I'm against constantly giving handouts to people who won't help themselves or people who come here illegally. I'm very much against a government who takes away children from their parents simply because the parents are poor. If this were true in the 80s, I would've been taken away from my parents.


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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I didn't "run away", Chris. It's morning. I'm getting ready to leave. I'm sorry you're so impatient.

    No, I don't think it's appropriate for people to have children they cannot afford. I think we need to have a temporary solution for people who are out of work and a permanent solution for those who aren't physically able to work. I'm not against welfare as a whole. I'm against constantly giving handouts to people who won't help themselves or people who come here illegally. I'm very much against a government who takes away children from their parents simply because the parents are poor. If this were true in the 80s, I would've been taken away from my parents.
    It's not about taking away children of people who are poor. It is about taking away children of people who willfully and ignorantly continue to bring children into a bad situation, either because they don't know any better or they are just irresponsible.

    I am thinking of the country as a whole and of the children who are brought into these kinds of situations through their parent's irresponsible behaviors, or because the parents just don't care.

    Now, are things like the below just limited to the poor? Of course not! But being poor and on the welfare system and the stress of that is CERTAINLY a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

    Child NeglectChronic Child Neglect

    Child neglect is the most prevalent form of child maltreatment in the United States. According to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS), of the approximately 899,000 children in the United States who were victims of abuse and neglect in 2005, 62.8 percent (564,765 children) suffered from neglect alone, including medical neglect (USDHHS, 2007). According to NCANDS, 42.2 percent of child maltreatment fatalities in the United States in 2005 occurred as a result of neglect only, 24.1 percent as a result of physical abuse and neglect, and 27.3 percent as a result of multiple maltreatment types (USDHHS, 2007). In an independent study, Prevent Child Abuse America estimated that 1,291 children in the United States died in 2000 as a result of maltreatment, and that 45 percent of these child maltreatment fatalities were attributable to neglect (Peddle et al., 2002). NCANDS reported an increase of approximately 20,000 victims between 2004 and 2005. This is largely due to the inclusion of data from Alaska and Puerto Rico in the 2005 dataset (USDHHS, 2007).

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    We already have laws on child neglect. Children are taken away from their parents in those cases. Being on welfare isn't child abuse.


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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    We already have laws on child neglect. Children are taken away from their parents in those cases. Being on welfare isn't child abuse.
    My proposal is simple. When someone comes to claim welfare because they cannot support themselves or their children, then they should agree to long-term birth control methods, sign a form and have to see a physician regularly to be sure they are in compliance. If they are not in compliance, then they lose their services.

    Now, are you going to blame society for that person's choice to not use the BC in order to receive the services? Is that somebody else's fault somehow, or is the person who willfully CHOOSES to continue to have children he or she cannot afford at fault?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Individuals may have "reproductive rights," but they CERTAINLY don't have the "right" to continue having children and relying on the taxpayers to pay for these children. That is NOT a right.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    And should the BC fail? Depo has failed on me, my friend got pregnant on mirena and emded up losing her son because the mirena was implanted partially into her placenta. Would those kids just be aborted? Put up to foster care if they werent adopted? Would she lose her benefits if while in compliance she got pregnant? And what about BC for absentee fathers? Generally theyre not punished for leaving their child/children desolate and the mother already has the overwhelming burden of raising said child/children alone.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?

    People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
    Nazi Germany comes to mind......
    I do not think that we, as yet, have the quality of people to administer such a thing..
    Nor would I wish to live in a nation where the government or anyone has control of the people as to who can breed and who cannot...
    But, as to our government doing a lousy job .....
    any proof, or is this straight from "right wing" extremist" radio talk shows ??

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Individuals may have "reproductive rights," but they CERTAINLY don't have the "right" to continue having children and relying on the taxpayers to pay for these children. That is NOT a right.
    NO
    In our nation, people do have the "right" to be irresponsible.
    Maybe it should not be this way...
    At one time, when much younger, I favored sterilization of those who were "irresponsible"...but there must be a better method... a more humane way.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    And should the BC fail? Depo has failed on me, my friend got pregnant on mirena and emded up losing her son because the mirena was implanted partially into her placenta. Would those kids just be aborted? Put up to foster care if they werent adopted? Would she lose her benefits if while in compliance she got pregnant? And what about BC for absentee fathers? Generally theyre not punished for leaving their child/children desolate and the mother already has the overwhelming burden of raising said child/children alone.
    Unfortunately, since it is the mothers who most of the time have to pay the consequences for unwanted pregnancy, they are the ones who have to be responsible for their "sexual sovereignty." Another point I would like to make is that it is not "body sovereignty" when you LACK control over what is happening to your own body (that is directed at some who claim these "reproductive rights" points). Am I happy that a lot of times the man gets away from his responsibility sometimes? No, I'm not, but that is how it is since the woman is the one who has to carry the child inside of her body.

    As long as they were in compliance, then they could continue services. Everyone knows that BC is not 100% effective, but it would certainly cut down on pregnancies and births/abortions, none of which are "cheap." Then, another method of BC could be attempted.

    It's a matter of NOT punishing everyone for the ignorance/irresponsibility of some.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NO
    In our nation, people do have the "right" to be irresponsible.
    Maybe it should not be this way...
    At one time, when much younger, I favored sterilization of those who were "irresponsible"...but there must be a better method... a more humane way.
    Yes, long-term birth control options. Those are not permanent.

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