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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You didn't answer; you asked questions. If one chooses to have children he/she cannot afford to raise, why should others be expected to provide the means to do so?
    The gist of it is that people who are receiving welfare would be given a choice to get sterilized to continue receiving services, or not get sterilized and not continue receiving services. People are saying that it is coercion. Just to get you up to date.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Then don't ask a question in post #455 if you aren't ready to grasp that that is public policy.
    Allowing someone to making a choice is not a threat unless someone believes they are receiving some advantage and don't want to do so...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I think the staffing necessary to organize such a thing would make it prohibitively expensive. You'd be spending close to the same amount of money on material support, but you'd be paying extra for the social workers and case managers and all of the other staff needed to keep those shelters running.
    Well, who says it would have to have social workers? As it is now we just give them money, food stamps and housing. Why not just have shelters that are more like housing units with some kind of food delivery service? They don't really need a babysitter per se; just to ensure that the money is being spent on shelter, clothing and food for themselves and the children. I think that was the idea DA had.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    1. Not always. There are plenty of able-bodied healthy people on welfare and plenty of disabled people who work. Most disabled people are collecting Social Security Disability benefits anyhow; not welfare. I probably should have specified that. Disabled people who cannot work through no fault of their own would not be included of course.
    2. You're against long-term birth control? Why is that. I would be interested in an explanation as to why if you wouldn't mind.
    3. I'm not "justifying" anything here, just debating it from the "pro" position. At first I didn't think it was such a bad idea and wanted to hear other people's input; now I don't think sterilization is the right way to go, but I am more thinking of the long-term BC option.
    1. SSI is included in welfare programs, according to the United States Government. Individuals with disabilities account for an incredible number of the unemployed. What is to be meant by "through no fault of their own"?
    2. For inclusion of being mandatory for welfare benefits? Yeah, I would be.
    3. Why are you playing Devil's Advocate with something like this? You wouldn't catch me playing around with the notion that homosexuals should be given mandatory classes on correcting their sexual orientation, and then say, "hey, come on..I meant nothing by it"
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    1. SSI is included in welfare programs, according to the United States Government. Individuals with disabilities account for an incredible number of the unemployed. What is to be meant by "through no fault of their own"?
    2. For inclusion of being mandatory for welfare benefits? Yeah, I would be.
    1. Well they wouldn't be included. It is a separate entity than DCYF, though some individuals might collect both.
    2. Why? What bad could come from using long-term birth control? The pros are that people won't be having more children that they cannot afford. If you think about, that is what is truly cruel, bringing children into the world that you cannot support, which also in a lot of instances leads to child abuse/neglect situations.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's exactly what it is. When you threaten benefits being lost unless they agree to have their bodies permanently altered in such a way as to never have the ability to have children, that is coercion.
    You people act as if welfare recipients are entitled to any benefits at all. I'll ask again: why should I pay for other people to breed?

    Secondly, they are being given a choice whether or not to be sterilized. No one has a gun to their heads forcing them. Not coercion.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    You people act as if welfare recipients are entitled to any benefits at all. I'll ask again: why should I pay for other people to breed?

    Secondly, they are being given a choice whether or not to be sterilized. No one has a gun to their heads forcing them. Not coercion.
    You people? Who would that be?

    Here's a choice. Mother of children on welfare can't currently survive without the benefits. You say, alright..here's a choice. You either become homeless, starving, and unable to support your children at all....or you let our doctors get inside there and prevent you from ever again becoming a mother.

    What a choice.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    You people act as if welfare recipients are entitled to any benefits at all. I'll ask again: why should I pay for other people to breed?

    Secondly, they are being given a choice whether or not to be sterilized. No one has a gun to their heads forcing them. Not coercion.
    A mother with a gun to her head in the form of permanently giving up her fertility or feeding her child is not coercion?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    1. Well they wouldn't be included. It is a separate entity than DCYF, though some individuals might collect both.
    2. Why? What bad could come from using long-term birth control? The pros are that people won't be having more children that they cannot afford. If you think about, that is what is truly cruel, bringing children into the world that you cannot support, which also in a lot of instances leads to child abuse/neglect situations.
    1. You're still targeting the lower socio-economic chain, a large number of which have been already targeted by eugenic practices for generations. This is still outrageous.

    2. Is that society's call? They couldn't get it right 100 years ago, they won't get it correct now either.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    A mother with a gun to her head in the form of permanently giving up her fertility or feeding her child is not coercion?
    No, not when she expects someone else to support them...
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