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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I'm going to go up against my own self and say that one reason I would be against sterilization/long-term BC is because some people who are collecting services might be only using it as a helping hand because they just happen to be going through a difficult time. It might be difficult to determine something like that.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    As Viktyr said,



    It was suggested earlier in the thread that a DNA database could be set up. Information collected from DNA analysis not income based.

    The applications are infinite when one group feels they have the right to limit the rights of others, not in their group. There is always the chance then, that one could fall outside the circle of those making the decisions.

    The ideas being espoused in this thread are quite frightening, Chris.
    In response to you again Gina, I will say that I don't see why the government would have an MO to sterilize any working, taxpaying citizens. As far as I know, the government wants to have a healthy taxpaying base, so expanding a sterilization program beyond those who are receiving government services just doesn't make sense.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Well, gotta go to work now. Be back later!

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1061505089]
    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post

    Good morning Gina! I don't think that would be an issue as, according to my scenario, it would ONLY be for those looking to collect welfare who have more than one child. I don't think the government would want to spend money sterilizing others, and for what reason would they want to do that?



    We're just debating and talking about it. I don't know why anyone would feel frightened. In formal debate situations, you pick a topic, you pick a side and you go to it and attack it!
    But that happened in our past Chris. People deemed unfit were forcibly sterilized.
    The United States was the first country to concertedly undertake compulsory sterilization programs for the purpose of eugenics.[34] The heads of the program were avid believers in eugenics and frequently argued for their program. It was shut down due to ethical problems. The principal targets of the American program were the mentally retarded and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, people with epilepsy, and the physically deformed. According to the activist Angela Davis, Native Americans, as well as African-American women[35] were sterilized against their will in many states, often without their knowledge while they were in a hospital for other reasons (e.g. childbirth). Other Native American activists such as Dr. Pinkerman concluded some 25,000 Native American women were forcibly sterilized against their will, although others have claimed these numbers were exaggerated.[4].

    Some sterilizations took place in prisons and other penal institutions, targeting criminality, but they were in the relative[citation needed] minority. In the end, over 65,000 individuals were sterilized in 33 states under state compulsory sterilization programs in the United States.[36]][37]
    Yes, that's Wiki, but it's an overview.

    Money is exactly why we are discussing this topic. Better reproductive rights be sacrificed than the poster's money.

    Yes, we are just, but ideas find their way into policy and as you can see from the quote, we've been down that road and it's frightening to think some people wouldn't mind going there again. The justifications are scary all the same.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I could get behind the idea of doing away with welfare as it exists entirely and putting them up in so-called "shelters" where others are in control of the money. That way, we could be sure that the money is being spent correctly and that the children are being fed and clothed properly.
    I think the staffing necessary to organize such a thing would make it prohibitively expensive. You'd be spending close to the same amount of money on material support, but you'd be paying extra for the social workers and case managers and all of the other staff needed to keep those shelters running.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    yeah but who in this thread has suggested that anyone be forcibly sterilized? Certainly not me.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    [QUOTE=Gina;1061505349]
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    But that happened in our past Chris. People deemed unfit were forcibly sterilized.


    Yes, that's Wiki, but it's an overview.

    Money is exactly why we are discussing this topic. Better reproductive rights be sacrificed than the poster's money.

    Yes, we are just, but ideas find their way into policy and as you can see from the quote, we've been down that road and it's frightening to think some people wouldn't mind going there again. The justifications are scary all the same.
    I agree. WE should never go down that road again.

    That is why I think that no co-pay (free) birth control should be avaiible to all teens and adults...men and women both.
    Not mandatory however.

    The long acting types of BC which are more effective and more goof -proof should be encouraged.
    There is a new Male Birth Control that is said to 100 Percent Effective , lasts about 10 years and is completly reversible.
    Hopefull this prodcut is as good as the studies indicate and that it catches on.

    A new birth control procedure shows promising signs of becoming another viable option for people who don't want children now, but may want them some day.

    Techcitement points out that the procedure, which is in advanced clinical trials in India, has been found to be 100 percent effective.


    Male Birth Control: New Procedure Is 100 Percent Effective, Reversible
    Posted: 04/ 3/2012 3:51 pm Updated: 04/ 5/2012 4:05 pm


    Techcitement points out that the procedure, which is in advanced clinical trials in India, has been found to be 100 percent effective.

    One downside -- depending on how you feel about shots -- is that it requires the man receive an injection into the vas deferens with a polymer gel called Vasalgel, after a local anesthetic has been given. The substance works by breaking apart sperm.

    The whole procedure takes about 15 minutes and lasts ten years or more and is more easily reversible than a vasectomy.

    As the Male Contraception Information Project notes, if a man decides he'd like to have his sperm up and running again, he can get another shot and, within two to three months, the baby-making can commence.

    Studies over the last 25 years have reportedly found the procedure is safe to use on both humans and animals.
    Read more:
    Male Birth Control: New Procedure Is 100 Percent Effective, Reversible
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    That is why I think that no co-pay (free) birth control should be avaiible to all teens and adults...men and women both.
    "no co-pay" does not mean free.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?

    People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
    How about we allow the government to require that people have a license to breathe while we're at it?
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    "no co-pay" does not mean free.
    apparently it's free so long as the recipients aren't paying. Typical mentality for folks of the "i need Uncle Sam's free money" mentality.

    My motto is, if you pull down your pants and play, pull out your wallet and pay.

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