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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    speaking of maturity

    how about we at least agree that the situation is complex, there are over 300 million of us

    in a country where we have the level of freedom that we do, people are going to make a lot of mistakes

    some times the effects of those mistakes ripple out to the rest of society

    some of us accept this as a tradeoff, and are glad the founding fathers agreed

    if we start taking away the freedom to do certain things, simply because some people abuse that freedom, we are moving away from the idea of America

    but yea, who cares of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people die in the streets

    real enlightened, mature perspective there pal
    Wonderful. So you support absolutely NO repercussions or accountability.

    Tell you what - how about you pay the money these pieces of crap steal from my pocket when they make irreparable, costly mistakes.

    And people wonder why we have an endless entitlement problem. Here you go, people.

    Way to tow the line, entitlement baby.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?

    People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
    Yes. I had to jump through hoops to adopt my son, and I'm not complaining. I would rather people have to go through some process to have children. Too many people have them and then either can't take care of them financially or emotionally.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The net result of that kind of policy ends up punishing the children, rather than discouraging the parents.
    So be it. Give them an abortion voucher instead of a bigger check every month. Your side of the aisle likes those.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    i agree that we need to reign in entitlement spending

    but in this country, the general idea is that we dont just let people die in the streets

    we have safety nets and other programs that are designed to help those in need

    along with enjoying the benefits of freedom in this country, we have a responsibility to look out for each other

    no one person is directly accessing a portion of your paycheck

    your taxes go towards promoting the general welfare, and other expenses as decided on by those who we elect to office
    Supporting breeding by morons, and letting them play parent too, even if it is completely evident that they do that very, very poorly, is not promoting the general welfare - it is eternal perpetuation of the welfare state, by "General Welfare" heading up the endless "war on poverty" that will never be "won"; morons beget morons that, in turn, beget, still more, morons. The cycle must be broken; not simply maintained at 15% of the US population forever.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We do better for pets that have been unfortunate enough to be "owned" by irresponsible morons. Instead of rewarding that failure of the pet "owner" to properly provide for them, we remove them from that substandard care and usually fine the offender for not doing so voluntarily.
    i agree

    i was criticizing that view as expressed by a poster who at the same time was calling for increased maturity among our citizenry

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Supporting breeding by morons, and letting them play parent too, even if it is completely eveident that they do thet very poorly, is not promoting the general welfare - it is eternal perpetuation of the welfare state, morons beget morons that, in turn, beget morons. The cycle must be broken; not simply maintained at 15% of the US population forever.
    Thank you.

    His kind of mentality reminds me of a dam with a bunch of small cracks and leaks. He's trying to plug every hole with his finger, and I'm trying to evacuate the village before it gets washed out.

    Which one has the logic?

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Supporting breeding by morons, and letting them play parent too, even if it is completely evident that they do that very, very poorly, is not promoting the general welfare - it is eternal perpetuation of the welfare state, by "General Welfare" heading up the endless "war on poverty" that will never be "won"; morons beget morons that, in turn, beget, still more, morons. The cycle must be broken; not simply maintained at 15% of the US population forever.
    the programs in place are not in existence to "support breeding by morons"

    some people take advantage of the system - no doubt

    but that does not mean we scrap the entire system

    it is cynical in my opinion, to view the programs, and the recipients thereof entirely in one unfavorable light - the assumption that they are morons that breed

    this country is big, complex, and there are a lot of moving parts

    when we identify a problem, like welfare fraud, lets address that problem and come up with some solutions

    not just calling everyone on welfare some kind of degenerate moron

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So be it. Give them an abortion voucher instead of a bigger check every month. Your side of the aisle likes those.
    My side of the aisle likes coercing people into abortions by threatening them with starvation? That's actually the exact opposite of what I and mine like. We like abortion as a choice, and we don't like pushing anyone further into poverty and starvation.

    But sure, go ahead and keep making stuff up.
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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    the programs in place are not in existence to "support breeding by morons"

    some people take advantage of the system - no doubt, but that does not mean we scrap the entire system

    it is cynical in my opinion, to view the programs, and the recipients thereof entirely in one unfavorable light - the assumption that they are morons that breed

    when we identify a problem, like welfare fraud, lets address that problem and come up with some solutions, not just calling everyone on welfare some kind of degenerate moron
    Welfare fraud is actually peripheral to what this is really about. Welfare statism is the inadvertent promotion of survival of the weakest. Welfare's long-term effect is socially degenerative.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Reproductive rights are unique in that reproduction creates another human that will also have its own rights.

    Therefore reproductive rights cannot be sacrosanct, as it inevitable results in a helpless life who is entitled to its needs being met by its mother and father. Reproductive rights are not just about the rights of post-pubescent humans to procreate. They are about balancing the parents' rights with the incoming rights of the newborn. When parents can't demonstrably meet the newborn's needs, their right to create the newborn should be nullified.

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