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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    100% agree...and now you can stand with me and fend off the arrows shot your way from the bleeding hearts who think that stupidity and irresponsibility being subsidized by taxpayers should continue as planned.
    Irresponsibility should not be funded, either on an individual level or on a corporate level. This mentality has led to the decay of this country, imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Everyone's always focusing on the kid's parents and not the kids when they talk about these things.

    I don't care what hte parents have done - I don't feel it's moral to allow kids to suffer without food and clothing for their parent's poor decisions... the only thing I Might agree on is the housing thing but that's actually not extremely common. Most of the time the gov provides financial assistance for housing and other basics.
    THE CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That's the sum of your entire argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Exactly the opposite is happening. The reason these programs keep getting expanded is precisely because there is so much emphasis on the kids, and virtually none regarding the parents.
    Exactly. As I have said, provide welfare for the children who have already had the misfortune for being genetically selected to be born to lousy parent, but for the love of pizza, put stipulations on the funding such as sterilization.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is it true? If so, then why are we "needing" to keep expanding the programs? Shouldn't people doing better mean fewer and/or smaller programs necessary? (This is an ever-increasing issue, and is not really tied to economic trends of a given moment in time,btw)

    Some programs, such as school lunches, are being expanded to the point that even some of the most ardent supporters admit they're 'helping' kids and families that honestly don't need help, but they're being expanded so all kids are as 'equal' as can be.

    I'm not in support of eliminating these programs entirely, but I do believe that have expanded way beyond their legitimate need.
    See your last line, here - we agree: I support reforming the programs as well - and not eliminating them.

    Food stamps for example: people shouldn't be buying sodas and candy - but it's allowed . . . the only limitation I'm aware of is the sign at the local store that says "You cannot buy energy drinks with your EBT card" (foodstamp card) . . . I support WIC more than foodstamps - it's more strict. Pre-approved foods ONLY. The person is allotted how much they can buy and if they don't spend it they lose it when the 'coupon' expires.

    The states need to get with it - they can cut back significantly by narrowing the scope and covering what's necessary - and having requirements - without ending support entirely.

    I guess we agree - but we might see *how much* we should cut back in a different view. IN my opinion it should be line-by-line . . . analyze what is needed and how to cater to that need without allow too much wiggle room. . . and then refreshing how things are calculated every few years - they're still using the same 40 year old formula for federal standards of what is the 'poverty line' for example - that could be revisited.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I'd love to but it is apparently too fascist.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    If the government wasn't so big, it was tying people's shoelaces, these problems wouldn't exist.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Exactly. As I have said, provide welfare for the children who have already had the misfortune for being genetically selected to be born to lousy parent, but for the love of pizza, put stipulations on the funding such as sterilization.
    As long as sterilization is 100% voluntary... and voluntary does NOT include coercion by making it a requirement to get money/help... then that is entirely appropriate.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't like to see anyone suffer needlessly, kids or adults, but I'm tired of the "...think of the children" mantra. A set of standards needs to be established somewhere, and adhered to, and by "not punishing the children" you are actually encouraging the parents... which only serves to create MORE kids in crappy circumstances.
    The point is that a policy should accomplish what it is designed to accomplish with as few side effects as possible. Most of the effects of the proposed policy are not intended purpose of reducing birth rates. A policy should be tailored to specifically achieve its intent, rather than tossed against the wall like spaghetti to see what sticks. The pasta that falls is not merely ignored, it is actual people suffering real harm.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    If there were a license to have children no one would qualify because of the different personal standards everyone uses as a guideline to raising them. There are already laws protecting children from certain parental abuses and neglect but they are either skimpy in some areas or overly restrictive in others.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The point is that a policy should accomplish what it is designed to accomplish with as few side effects as possible. Most of the effects of the proposed policy are not intended purpose of reducing birth rates. A policy should be tailored to specifically achieve its intent, rather than tossed against the wall like spaghetti to see what sticks. The pasta that falls is not merely ignored, it is actual people suffering real harm.
    But, where's the tipping point between lessening their harm and just giving more crap... and, while I'm sure not intentionally, actually encourage said destructive behavior while no longer relieving any additional harm whatsoever?

    I believe we have surpassed that tipping point.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If there were a license to have children no one would qualify because of the different personal standards everyone uses as a guideline to raising them. There are already laws protecting children from certain parental abuses and neglect but they are either skimpy in some areas or overly restrictive in others.
    Take corporal punishment, as one example.

    Some believe spanking in any form is abuse, no exceptions. Some people believe spanking is effective and appropriate, in moderation. Of course, there are others who take it way too far, yet believe they are right. Would this be on the test? Which answer is the "right" answer?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Take corporal punishment, as one example.

    Some believe spanking in any form is abuse, no exceptions. Some people believe spanking is effective and appropriate, in moderation. Of course, there are others who take it way too far, yet believe they are right. Would this be on the test? Which answer is the "right" answer?
    Every person, child, learned values and situation is different. I agree that the laws have to set the socially acceptable limits of child rearing behavior, leaving a large leeway for interpretation. My father and mother used intimidation to correct me, knowing my mind was not mature enough to always understand the reasons for "NO". My sister and her husband believe in no discipline and "YES" to everything. But then again they raised a spoiled, rotten monster who stays in trouble and respects nothing.

    I believe the OP is looking for a reason to exclude the poor from breeding in an effort to suppress welfare and poverty.
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