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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Sounds like someone thinks freedom = security.

    I have no use for you.
    Sounds like someone read the words, but completely missed the meaning. Narrow-minded selfishness will do that to people. Carry on.

    ETA: It is ironic that, out of all the varying points I addressed in my post, the only one that meant enough to you to elicit a response was the one calling you out regarding the monetary motivation. The bell must have been louder than I thought.
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    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah, that clearly works. You'd have a better chance crossing all of your fingers, surrounding yourself in rabbits' feet and putting horseshoes around your neck. All you're doing is wishing.

    You've even said that there's a problem, but you would have absolutely nothing remotely resembling a plan to correct it. Your plan is akin to wishing on a star and going to bed to dream of unicorns, rainbows, and the days when people suddenly aren't f'n stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Okay, so if my plan is just "rainbows", what research/studies do you have to demonstrate the effectiveness of your plan?
    Gipper, I'm still waiting for a response. You responded to every single post I made to you until I asked to for the research that demonstrates the effectiveness of your plan.

    I'm disappointed.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Gipper, I'm still waiting for a response. You responded to every single post I made to you until I asked to for the research that demonstrates the effectiveness of your plan.

    I'm disappointed.
    You have the luxury of knowing that society won't allow for a "real plan" because of liberal bullcrap.

    The real answer would hurt feelings, and thus we'll never see it implemented - regardless if it works or not.

    We're a nation of bitchy liberal pussies.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The net result of that kind of policy ends up punishing the children, rather than discouraging the parents.
    I don't like to see anyone suffer needlessly, kids or adults, but I'm tired of the "...think of the children" mantra. A set of standards needs to be established somewhere, and adhered to, and by "not punishing the children" you are actually encouraging the parents... which only serves to create MORE kids in crappy circumstances.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I get the desire to regulate reproduction. I've definitely made offhand remarks about making people take tests before they become parents after witnessing some particularly bad parenting in the families of some friends and acquaintances (or just looking at commercials for 'Teen Mom' on MTV). When it goes from just a frustrated remark to an actual policy consideration though, my tune changes.

    As far as dissuading and preventing people from becoming parents too soon, I think that can be done much in the same way education about safe sex has had a great deal of success in preventing the spread of STDs. I can't really speak a lot on what specific solutions I would advocate because I just haven't done a lot of research on the issue. Regardless, I think the best solution is to help people make the right choices rather than let government decide who does and doesn't have kids.
    Who, in this great world of gov't provided welfare, is allowed to "set standards" for when welfare it is granted? I personally detest the idea that Medicaid/PPACA are given to all "poor" folks with children but not to ANY non-disabled, non-elderly, single poor folks. When we have social policy that requires producing children to get gov't rewards, it should not shock anyone that they are produced. The poor may be lazy and uneducated but they are not so stupid as to turn down a hand out and many have learned just how to play the welfare system.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Who, in this great world of gov't provided welfare, is allowed to "set standards" for when welfare it is granted? I personally detest the idea that Medicaid/PPACA are given to all "poor" folks with children but not to ANY non-disabled, non-elderly, single poor folks. When we have social policy that requires producing children to get gov't rewards, it should not shock anyone that they are produced. The poor may be lazy and uneducated but they are not so stupid as to turn down a hand out and many have learned just how to play the welfare system.
    The incentives to have kids are many.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The incentives to have kids are many.
    foodstamps, wic, free healthcare, free housing, and EIC to name a few.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    foodstamps, wic, free healthcare, free housing, and EIC to name a few.
    LOL

    I've never heard anyone say "I'll have a KID to get a HOUSE"



    Having kids is the #1 reason to not be able to secure these things for most people . . . duh - if someone wanted **** like that they'd instead just not have kids and be able to support just their self and never be tied to supporting another human for the next 18 years.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    foodstamps, wic, free healthcare, free housing, and EIC to name a few.
    Yup, good point. We need to discourage procreation from a financial standpoint.

    This way, the poor can't reap the benefits, and more affluent people will think that having a child offsets any negatives involved.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    What about the child tax credit on the IRS forms?
    Are the middleclass Families having more than 1 child so they can take take avantage of the tax credit?
    The average family ( on welfare or not on welfare ) has 1.9 childen.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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