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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    absolutely not

    it would be great if all parents fully understood the consequences of having a child, and were financially and emotionally prepared before actually having the child

    it would also be great if all people fully understood the consequences of their own personal financial decisions, like using credit cards, taking out mortgages/loans, etc

    but in this country we are free to try and do almost anything we want, just as we are free to live with the consequences of those actions

    taking away the freedom to start a family is shockingly un-american
    Unfortunately that (bolded) is far from true. If that other person's freedom includes "access" to a protion of my paycheck then that is tryanny not freedom, to me.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    But we're not living with consequences of those actions. Lots of people who shouldn't have kids because of maturity and financial levels get floated along with entitlement programs paid for by working taxpayers like myself.

    They can die in the street, for all I care. I'm sick of being robbed, and I'm tired of subsidizing stupidity.
    speaking of maturity

    how about we at least agree that the situation is complex, there are over 300 million of us

    in a country where we have the level of freedom that we do, people are going to make a lot of mistakes

    some times the effects of those mistakes ripple out to the rest of society

    some of us accept this as a tradeoff, and are glad the founding fathers agreed

    if we start taking away the freedom to do certain things, simply because some people abuse that freedom, we are moving away from the idea of America

    but yea, who cares of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people die in the streets

    real enlightened, mature perspective there pal

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't disagree with the overall premise, that people shouldn't have children before they're ready and that parenting really does require training. But such a rule would be impossible to enforce, and would constitute a completely unacceptable infringement of personal liberty. Government should not have that kind of control over people.

    The net result of that kind of policy ends up punishing the children, rather than discouraging the parents.
    Nonsense. How do we treat pet abuse?
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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

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    With so many libertarians around, the NO votes are no surprise.
    We already have some of this with good upbringing and church weddings; one would think this to be sufficient.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?

    People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
    I find it a bit fighting that this question is even being posed. That is called eugenics, I never support such an intrusion

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethlehem Bill View Post
    speaking of maturity

    how about we at least agree that the situation is complex, there are over 300 million of us

    in a country where we have the level of freedom that we do, people are going to make a lot of mistakes

    some times the effects of those mistakes ripple out to the rest of society

    some of us accept this as a tradeoff, and are glad the founding fathers agreed

    if we start taking away the freedom to do certain things, simply because some people abuse that freedom, we are moving away from the idea of America

    but yea, who cares of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people die in the streets

    real enlightened, mature perspective there pal
    We do better for pets that have been unfortunate enough to be "owned" by irresponsible morons. Instead of rewarding that failure of the pet "owner" to properly provide for them, we remove them from that substandard care and usually fine the offender for not doing so voluntarily.
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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    After seeing what standardized education has done to the intelligence of the population, I would not support people having to take courses to tell them how to be parents. Making parenthood so robotic would not benefit society. Having a diverse range of parenting creates a diverse population. I know some brilliant people who came from messed up backgrounds, and it was that adversity that transformed them into people with unique perspectives; I have met people from wealthy upbringings who are the most messed up individuals I have ever met. Just because someone can afford to have kids doesn't mean they will be a good parent.

    I think it would make more sense to implement limits to how many children people can have, like China is done. If you can only have one or two children and decide to mess that up, then that's your problem, but you have only one shot. People should not be allowed to have litters. And yes, we could easily manage this rule. People who have extra children can be heavily fined into oblivion and their children can not be issued birth certificates. Harsh as it may be, it works in China. Their population will platea by 2050 whereas ours will balloon out of control by then.

    Unfortunately, reproductive laws are not likely to happen because the current growth model of economy supports the continual and unfettered reproduction of human beings as capital. The government provides too many incentives for child birth. Besides, it's unconstitutional. If our economy ever collapses a lot of people are going to die.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What, of these two hypotheticals, do you see as a more horrendous notion:

    A) Denying/suspending the right of an addict to reproduce, or

    B) An addict reproducing a child with fetal substance-induced brain damage who then raises him/her in a neglectful and/or abusive environment until the state steps in and puts the child in an unfamiliar foster setting, or series of foster settings?

    In other words, you find the act of preventing a horrible situation to be a horrible thing in and of itself.

    Huge dilemma.

    This is one of my LEAST libertarian stances, I admit. I do not value some people's reproductive freedoms above the rights of children not to be put through immense suffering.
    I see South Carolina's former eugenics program (for one example), and I honestly think it the worst of the options. I am not willing to grant social workers, doctors, or any other official that sort of power after the century's long abuse of that power.
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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    With so many libertarians around, the NO votes are no surprise.
    On the contrary. I'm surprised that those who endlessly bemoan the government's mere involvement in education and other supposed overreaches would support the requirement of federal approval in order to procreate.

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    re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unfortunately that (bolded) is far from true. If that other person's freedom includes "access" to a protion of my paycheck then that is tryanny not freedom, to me.

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    http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f.../pdf/PA694.pdf

    i agree that we need to reign in entitlement spending

    but in this country, the general idea is that we dont just let people die in the streets

    we have safety nets and other programs that are designed to help those in need

    along with enjoying the benefits of freedom in this country, we have a responsibility to look out for each other

    no one person is directly accessing a portion of your paycheck

    your taxes go towards promoting the general welfare, and other expenses as decided on by those who we elect to office

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