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Thread: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What about those who moan and complaint about their "right" to an abortion IF they get pregnant? Why not sterilization?
    I feel if a person chooses to be sterilized that should be their choice.
    I also feel if a woman chooses to have an early abortion that should be her choice.
    But I am Totally against mandatory sterilizations or mandatory abortions.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    So terminating a pregnancy/potential life is NOT a moral dilemma, but preventing one is?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Certainly interesting how most advocates of such a proposition center their arguments strictly on the income of the parents. The concern for the child's well being seems completely disingenuous.
    Income isn't the sole deciding factor in the well being of a child, it's just one part of it.
    But none the less, there is a compelling public interest involved.

    We pay a social cost for people who have kids they can't take care of, many of them turn out to be future criminals.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So basically, you are saying that you are perfectly fine with terminating pregnancies at the taxpayers' expense instead of preventing them to begin with? Hmmm. Interesting. Still isn't very logical though.
    Who said anything about tax payers paying for abortions?
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't see this situation as being the same thing at all. This isn't dictating how to spend money or military conflicts or anything like that. This is about people who are unable or unwilling to support their own families who keep adding to their family and relying on others to support them for all of their needs.

    Logistically, this would be a benefit not only to the taxpayer but also to the welfare recipient and to the "potential" child that would be born into a cycle of poverty.

    Your opposition is based upon moral grounds and nothing more.
    Sheesh, it was a simple analogy. The fact that certain individuals, entities and departments receive tax payer funds, does not render them subject to your whims and fancies. Simple as that.

    Not everyone holds the same view of potential "benefits." Especially when another decides on their behalf.

    Moral grounds, in addition to logical and legal implications. I'd be fascinated to learn of a legal provision that would allow the federal government to practice wanton discrimination in the form of stripping away reproductive rights based on income. Equal protection anyone?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yup, I'd require it. Income and intelligence would be 2 immediate factors I'd use as criteria.
    Get a load of this..

    Woman with 11 children and new council house ‘also keeps horse’ | The Times

    This woman has never worked a day in her life..and the fathers of her children?..

    Who knows...

    All funded by the British taxpayer...

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Sheesh, it was a simple analogy. The fact that certain individuals, entities and departments receive tax payer funds, does not render them subject to your whims and fancies. Simple as that.
    Why not? They have proven that they are unable to care for themselves or any future children. "Just because" isn't good enough.

    Not everyone holds the same view of potential "benefits." Especially when another decides on their behalf.
    I'm sure that everyone can agree that a person who cannot take care of themselves would not be able to take care of any additional children. This is not a philosophical question.

    Moral grounds, in addition to logical and legal implications. I'd be fascinated to learn of a legal provision that would allow the federal government to practice wanton discrimination in the form of stripping away reproductive rights based on income. Equal protection anyone?
    I can agree with that, which is one of the main reasons why I object to it, but in theory it is NOT a bad idea.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Who said anything about tax payers paying for abortions?
    I'm talking about people who are receiving social services. Obviously they aren't paying for their own abortions.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    I do not support licensing for having children.... not even a little bit.....I do not support it and would not comply with such a regulation.

    with authoritarian statism fast becoming a prevailing political lean in this country, I can see why folks would support such bull**** though.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So basically, you are saying that you are perfectly fine with terminating pregnancies at the taxpayers' expense instead of preventing them to begin with? Hmmm. Interesting. Still isn't very logical though.
    Not at all. I'm simply pointing out the glaring, unsubtle flaws in your proposition. Individuals who want all prospects of procreating wiped clean would be sterilized as you proposed. Those who feel they should have a choice would avoid that route. The two stances are antithetical.

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