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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Granted that 1/4th of people on this forum prefer China's government in relation to children - other than they want even more totalitarism than even China and China did not require a license - but there is no constitutional authority to legislate prohibiting having children other than for the mentally disabled.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I would love to have that realistically possible - because I believe the main source of suffering in this world is from lousy parents causing emotional trauma to their children (many times, unseen).

    But it is not realistic without taking away so much freedom that is would be ridiculous.


    My solution is to stop rewarding people who have more children then they can afford - as poverty is probably the single biggest cause of the above mentioned abuse.

    End welfare.

    If people need food/shelter - give it to them. But only the minimum thyough government flop houses and soup kitchens. NEVER any money.

    And provide full medical/dental care to all children that need it...but NOTHING except emergency medical/dental to these pathetic parents.


    I would insist that these useless parents should have to have their pictures put on the web everytime they bring their children to a government shelter. But many of these losers probably would just let their kids starve rather then be face embarrassment.


    Finally, society has to stop encouraging people to have children.

    It should be considered a priviledge to have a child - not a right.

    Something that only a few are qualified to undertake.

    This nonsense that people just assume that the vast majority of people are good parents is completely wrong.

    By the law of averages, 1/3 will be good at it, 1/3 will be adequate and 1/3 will suck at it.
    All you have to do is look at Africa to see that will not work. Heck any 3rd world country. Even here I have seen homeless people hiding in bushes and car ports having sex. Sex is a basic human need, so even if you took everything away it would not stop them. In the end only the children would suffer.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    All you have to do is look at Africa to see that will not work. Heck any 3rd world country. Even here I have seen homeless people hiding in bushes and car ports having sex. Sex is a basic human need, so even if you took everything away it would not stop them. In the end only the children would suffer.
    Africa is TOTALLY different. There is massive poverty and a gigantic lack of birth control.

    America is a very different situation.

    In my opinion, most 'unqualified' couples will either be more careful and/or more likely to abort the pregnancy if they know that basically they are on their own if they go down that road.

    Will it solve the problem? Of course not. But it will cut the poverty birthrate down. Plus, it will save taxpayers billions each year.



    Many people are just lazy. And if you make everything easy for them - they will just do what they want and not worry about the consequences.

    I say make it as difficult as possible on the parents - but make sure the children are given access to all the services they need...they should not be punished for having pathetic parents.


    And btw - if there are irresponsible parents out there that read this and are offended...GOOD.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-24-13 at 06:18 AM.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    No i will not conform and get one, nor do i think this should exist at all.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I would love to have that realistically possible - because I believe the main source of suffering in this world is from lousy parents causing emotional trauma to their children (many times, unseen).

    But it is not realistic without taking away so much freedom that is would be ridiculous.


    My solution is to stop rewarding people who have more children then they can afford - as poverty is probably the single biggest cause of the above mentioned abuse.

    End welfare.

    If people need food/shelter - give it to them. But only the minimum thyough government flop houses and soup kitchens. NEVER any money.

    And provide full medical/dental care to all children that need it...but NOTHING except emergency medical/dental to these pathetic parents.


    I would insist that these useless parents should have to have their pictures put on the web everytime they bring their children to a government shelter. But many of these losers probably would just let their kids starve rather then be face embarrassment.


    Finally, society has to stop encouraging people to have children.

    It should be considered a priviledge to have a child - not a right.

    Something that only a few are qualified to undertake.

    This nonsense that people just assume that the vast majority of people are good parents is completely wrong.

    By the law of averages, 1/3 will be good at it, 1/3 will be adequate and 1/3 will suck at it.
    Yeah, we sure put single mom's in the lap of luxury here in America, how could any woman pass up the opporuntity to get paid almsot nothing just for creating a life that she will be responsible for only for a couple of decades. She can do two whole years in a row on welfare, and five years in her whole life, so how could any woman not just go right out and get knocked up, the pay is just too good.

    Being poor sucks, working or on welfare. The best chance any person has to get out frim under being poor is being single and work hard, getting married and having kids AFTER they get their lives going. But SO many people don't realize this reality until after it's too late.

    Education is the best answer, but it is not a perfect answer.

    Shutting off welfare is a terrible answer.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Allow me to translate:"Waah I don't like welfare and have a superiority complex, so lets commit a massive human rights violation". Limiting reproductive rights may be necessary in dire circumstances, but has zero place in a society with a low population density and replacement level birthrates. I see nothing more in this thread than a petty attempt at boosting the ego through dehumanization, there is no discussion of anything resembling policy.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
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    Shutting off welfare is a terrible answer.
    I am not proposing 'shutting off welfare'...just scaling it way back.

    'Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid'.

    Welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Providing adequate food, shelter, medical and dental to anyone who wants it for free is a 'terrible answer' to you?

    Noted.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-24-13 at 06:45 AM.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Africa is TOTALLY different. There is massive poverty and a gigantic lack of birth control.

    America is a very different situation.

    In my opinion, most 'unqualified' couples will either be more careful and/or more likely to abort the pregnancy if they know that basically they are on their own if they go down that road.

    Will it solve the problem? Of course not. But it will cut the poverty birthrate down. Plus, it will save taxpayers billions each year.



    Many people are just lazy. And if you make everything easy for them - they will just do what they want and not worry about the consequences.

    I say make it as difficult as possible on the parents - but make sure the children are given access to all the services they need...they should not be punished for having pathetic parents.


    And btw - if there are irresponsible parents out there that read this and are offended...GOOD.
    Great more abortions and you are throwing out the baby with the bath water for something that in natural to all humans. At some point it is not about the money. I agree welfare as it is needs work, but again we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Great more abortions and you are throwing out the baby with the bath water for something that in natural to all humans. At some point it is not about the money. I agree welfare as it is needs work, but again we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
    Before there is brain activity (10 weeks) - there is no baby...there is a fetus.

    And I am not going to debate this.

    You cannot have sentience without brain activity...not possible.


    After there is brain activity - then it's a crime (imo).

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    for the working poor or nonworking people who experience a pregnancy and either cant afford an abortion or it goes against theor belief system??? Its a horrible idea to regulate who can and cannot be parnts. How many kids are in foster care who would be better off at home? Kids taken because the home didnt have furniture or because of a false report or a head injury on an infant that was totally accidental and the parents went to the hospital immediately? It takes months to years and years for reconcilliation to be approved. If the government tried to regulate who could have kids and who couldnt it would be a bigger mess than foster care by far! The most genial and loving and financially stable families on the outside are the poster families of murder-suicides, murderous couples and longwithstood child abuse. A form could make them look like pristine parents but in reality they will eventually snap under the pressure. Thats exactly why there isnt test or prerequisite for parenting. The response vs the plan is what counts not vice versa.

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