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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    There is a difference between extending aid to needy families and child abuse.
    Then why not extend that aid to needy citizens, not requiring them to add a child to the mix in order to get that aid? This is the primary failure of the welfare system - it encourages (requires) children to get "help". If an single adult makes $12K/year they get NO Medicaid (unless disabled) but add a child and then they do get Medicaid - does that make ANY sense?
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No. The only possible scenario I can envision is an extremely predatory rapist or child molester, but in that case, they should never be let out of prison, so there's no need to sterilize them.
    What about someone with chronic paranoid schizophrenia and alcohol dependence?

    What about a woman with Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder who has already had three children for which she cannot effectively care (and they've been removed by the state and placed elsewhere)?

    Mental illness, addiction, personality disorders, poverty... all of these things put children through hell. Why is the right to keep reproducing so sacrosanct?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I think that could be quite simple given a little time. Each person born is allowed 1.0 point and each child they produce counts as 0.5. Therefor each child costs their parent a total of 1 point worth (0.5 per parent). This way a person could have a child with two different people and not be limited to a single partner yet we would only allow 1 child per person overall lowering the population over time. Once a person reaches their allocated 1.0 limit they are fixed. Given time a DNA database could in minutes verify both parents of a child.
    Ok, thanks for providing the details as to why enforcement and regulation would be chilling with the bolded portion an outright horror. Your introduction of population control via government approval is exactly what I was hinting at. Once the power to license is granted, where is the end? A full blown eugenics program?

    Some of the responses in this thread are surprising. We should not ever put the government in control of approving who and who doesn't have children.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That is also how I feel about pets. A company or land is somewhat similar, in that it does have ethical considerations in terms of employees, society, and the environment that I believe the owner is obligated to consider.
    Ok, so we're supposed to call ourselves guardians and not owners of such? Isn't this just a little PC and anti-private property? I am not the owner of my pet/company/land but The Guardian. I dunno, seems grandiose. I find it a bit self-serving, as if to distance oneself from any sense of 'enslavement'. Grandiose and self-serving terminology for the purpose of PC and crapping on private property? Nah, I'll pass on that.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?

    People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.

    My answer is no of course not, actually HELL NO lol

    while i can understand the desire, this type of infringement on freedom is no good

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    what happens if someone has a child with out a license? then what
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Just because that is the law doesn't mean it's the truth of the matter, just like the fact that the law considering my cat a possession doesn't mean she is.
    It is indeed the truth with the current power structure in DC. I agree that laws are subject to change, but we (via our congress critters) seem quite willing to simply borrow from "later" to consume today. 2/3 of federal spending is "entitlements".
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Well I'm convinced. I don't think we should have licenses to be doctors either. I think you should be able to treat anyone who wants you to treat them by saying, "I'm a doctor, I can treat you".

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Could you imagine any situation in which you think someone should be mandatorily sterilized? /curious
    Yes, those who are institutionalized and who are potential victims of those institutions' attendants.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Ok, thanks for providing the details as to why enforcement and regulation would be chilling with the bolded portion an outright horror. Your introduction of population control via government approval is exactly what I was hinting at. Once the power to license is granted, where is the end? A full blown eugenics program?

    Some of the responses in this thread are surprising. We should not ever put the government in control of approving who and who doesn't have children.
    Ever. E-v-e-r.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Ever. E-v-e-r.
    Ironically, you unconsciously allow it when you bail out EVERY last poor idiot who has a child he or she cannot afford.

    It reminds me of these kids who grow up to be teen parents, jailbirds, and delinquents when their parents impart nothing to them. Just let them do whatever they want. "Parenting".

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