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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes. That is because you don't really own them, regardless of how they're considered legally. They have rights to happiness and care, which are recognized, even as we continue to call them possessions.

    They are living things. I am guardian to my cat, not her owner. I don't care what the law says. That is the reality of it, and people who treat their animals otherwise are or should be prosecuted.
    I don't really know the point of the distinction... it's seems to you the distinction is purely for sentimental value.
    Own or not own... whatever

    Parents have total control of their children as long as they arn't "harming" them and other various regulation like school attendance.

    Owning something does not mean you can do whatever you want with it, necessarily... you can still own something and be regulated by it.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think medical technology has played a HUGE role, and the biggest.
    Don't mean to be argumentative, but I think our society post-oil will look quite a bit like society pre-oil. Even medical technology owes itself to our master energy source. Where would medicine be without our oil-based plastics and our our oil-based vehicles that whisk people away to hospitals at maximum speed to save their lives? Really ask yourself where the species would be without oil.

    I don't see how anyone could possibly call themselves "pro choice" if they are trying to take the choice of having a child away from some people. Just doesn't sound right, doesn't add up and sounds incredibly hypocritical IMHO.
    Then I wouldn't qualify as pro-choice in your mind, which is fine. But I will not be associated with pro-life psychos on the religious right either. Let it be known.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    If we're going to talk about sterilization, we should just sterilize those who are collecting social services and have more than one child IMO.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I don't really know the point of the distinction... it's seems to you the distinction is purely for sentimental value.
    Own or not own... whatever

    Parents have total control of their children as long as they arn't "harming" them and other various regulation like school attendance.
    To say that you own something means that its needs and feelings don't require or deserve any regard beyond selfish motivations. That is the distinction.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    What happens if someone gets pregnant without a license? Are we going to force sterilize people until they pass parenting qualifications or just force abortions in women that conceive without a license?

    As much as I would love for only qualified individuals to be the ones having children, it is not my place to dictate who is "qualified" nor is it the government's place to do so in regards to reproducing with your own body (this isn't the same as adopting and meeting adoptions standards). I also have serious problems with how such a law may be enforced.
    Last edited by digsbe; 02-24-13 at 12:19 AM.
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    holy christmas 14 pages. i'm too drunk to read through it now. lol

    btw, i would support this in theory if i believed the government wasn;t completely inept. if people need a license to cut hair, it makes logical sense that some sort of standard should be in place for having children. afterall, i can think of no more important job than that.
    Or we could just get rid of all the stupid licenses people have to get.....


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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Don't mean to be argumentative, but I think our society post-oil will look quite a bit like society pre-oil. Even medical technology owes itself to our master energy source. Where would medicine be without our oil-based plastics and our our oil-based vehicles that whisk people away to hospitals at maximum speed to save their lives? Really ask yourself where the species would be without oil.
    I thought I was the argumentative one?



    Then I wouldn't qualify as pro-choice in your mind, which is fine. But I will not be associated with pro-life psychos on the religious right either. Let it be known.
    Lol . . . okay, I'll make note of that. Note to self . . .

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    holy christmas 14 pages. i'm too drunk to read through it now. lol
    You don't deserve to have children.


    Just kidding!







    I'm drunk too. Well... not really. Getting there maybe. South Australian Pinot Grigio.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 02-24-13 at 12:17 AM.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes. That is because you don't really own them, regardless of how they're considered legally. They have rights to happiness and care, which are recognized, even as we continue to call them possessions.

    They are living things. I am guardian to my cat, not her owner. I don't care what the law says. That is the reality of it, and people who treat their animals otherwise are or should be prosecuted.
    But people who cannot (or will not?) care for (including feed, house and clothe) their children should not be prosecuted, they should be given gov't rewards (welfare) for that failure instead?
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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But people who cannot (or will not?) care for (including feed, house and clothe) their children should not be prosecuted, they should be given gov't rewards (welfare) for that failure instead?
    Not necessarily. It depends on the situation, as it does with animal care. Things happen. It is not always because the caretaker is irresponsible. If it is because they are irresponsible, then that is a different matter, and again, the approach needed will vary.

    These are not simple black-and-white issues.

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