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Thread: A license to have children [W:81]

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Of course not. That so many answered yes shows just how many people want the government to have total control over people.

    The great revolutions for individual freedoms and winning individual libertiy won in the late 1700s thru the early 1920s is a rapidly vanishing era unique in world history.
    It is surprising how many people want, even demand, a totalitarian government to control, restrict and regulate every aspect of their lives.
    It always astounds me to see that the people who loudly campaign for less Government interference in their lives are often the same people who are quite happy to give that same Government such absolute power in instances like those being discussed here. So many are blind to their own logical inconsistencies and can't see that by advocating yes here they are contradicting their otherwise freedom principles.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know that it's a "race-based policy", but I would say that the policy is definitely a race (and ethnicity) issue. The reason I distinguish is because "race-based" signifies intent to me where I'm not sure it's there. However, even if a policy is not intended to discriminate based on race or ethnicity, it can still be a race/ethnicity issue if it affects certain racial and ethnic groups more than it does others.

    Ultimately, with a policy like the one described by the OP, not only would the lower class decrease in numbers more so than middle and upper classes, but blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans among others would decrease in numbers much more so than non-Hispanic whites. Because such a policy would affect certain groups more than others, that policy becomes an issue for those groups. In all fairness though, race and class would not be the only concerns. Those with mental illnesses, physical disabilities, lower education and so on would be affected as well making the policy an issue for several historically marginalized groups. It's just not a good idea.
    Everything in that last paragraph is exactly why it's a great idea.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Everything in that last paragraph is exactly why it's a great idea.
    You realize that psychopaths would be disqualified from procreating under those terms, right?

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    It always astounds me to see that the people who loudly campaign for less Government interference in their lives are often the same people who are quite happy to give that same Government such absolute power in instances like those being discussed here. So many are blind to their own logical inconsistencies and can't see that by advocating yes here they are contradicting their otherwise freedom principles.
    Yeah, because having a child you cannot afford and depending on 200 million taxpayers to support it COMPLETELY removes any government interference...

    Explains a few things.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How are you going to determine someone's eligibility to be a parent by "crunching numbers"? I don't get it. Unless you are planning on determining "good parenthood" by financial means alone?
    Eligibility for some benefits is already determined from data that is not necessarily just financial.

    Theoretically though, it would require more manpower to assess suitability for parenthood, no doubt about it. Currently that job only exists among those trying to adopt. So yeah we'd have to beef up on that effort.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What can you not do anything you like with, excluding things that harm others?

    I find that view sick, personally.
    I may agree... but that doesn't mean it isn't how it is right now.

    But yea there are billions of things. You aren't allowed to drive a car everywhere, not allowed have a bedroom without windows, etc. there are all sorts of regulations on almost everything you own.

    You own a pet, but you arn't allowed to harm it/torture it.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You realize that psychopaths would be disqualified from procreating under those terms, right?
    At least if I get bored, I can keep a running tally on how many ad homs you've thrown my way in this thread.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    It always astounds me to see that the people who loudly campaign for less Government interference in their lives are often the same people who are quite happy to give that same Government such absolute power in instances like those being discussed here. So many are blind to their own logical inconsistencies and can't see that by advocating yes here they are contradicting their otherwise freedom principles.
    I don't think it's an actual logical inconsistency. The more I read arguments from the "less government" crowd on and off DP, the more I think that "less government" is just a cover for control issues. By "control issues", I mean that they want to have total control over their lives with zero government inference, BUT they also want total control over everyone else's lives through government intervention. The reason I say this is because they usually argue for "less government" only when it government interferes in something they WANT to do. When it's something they despise, they usually want the government to regulate it.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Eligibility for some benefits is already determined from data that is not necessarily just financial.

    Theoretically though, it would require more manpower to assess suitability for parenthood, no doubt about it. Currently that job only exists among those trying to adopt. So yeah we'd have to beef up on that effort.
    "Beef up?" Sorry, but you're talking about a TON of people!!! I think that this sounds like something out of a sci-fi flick.

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    Re: A license to have children [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know that it's a "race-based policy", but I would say that the policy is definitely a race (and ethnicity) issue. The reason I distinguish is because "race-based" signifies intent to me where I'm not sure it's there. However, even if a policy is not intended to discriminate based on race or ethnicity, it can still be a race/ethnicity issue if it affects certain racial and ethnic groups more than it does others.

    Ultimately, with a policy like the one described by the OP, not only would the lower class decrease in numbers more so than middle and upper classes, but blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans among others would decrease in numbers much more so than non-Hispanic whites. Because such a policy would affect certain groups more than others, that policy becomes an issue for those groups. In all fairness though, race and class would not be the only concerns. Those with mental illnesses, physical disabilities, lower education and so on would be affected as well making the policy an issue for several historically marginalized groups. It's just not a good idea.
    I truthfully do understand the seeming outrageousness of ever suggesting reproduction be regulated.

    Ultimately, it's up to the people to recognize that parenthood is many ways the most important "job" a parent will ever have. And yet there's no "hiring process" for this job. It's completely open-door, anything-goes. Population-control aside, the mere desire to contain (rather than proliferate) severe intergenerational social problems behooves us to continue considering whether there is a way to more strongly dissuade or prevent people from becoming parents before they're ready to handle the responsibilities.

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