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    For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    The Conservative Victory Project is an effort by Karl Rove to, essentially, support more moderate republican candidates over more far right candidates(my wording). There is a ton of information on the group, and I as a democrat am probably the wrong one to try and explain what exactly it does. A quick google search will give you all the information you could want. Many republicans, notable Gingrich, are very opposed to this effort. I am curious as to whether the conservative posters here are in favor of this groups goals, or opposed, and why.

    I ask that only conservatives vote in the poll please, though of course comments are welcome from every one.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    It sounds like something Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or some other ditzy Democrat would come up with - an attempt to group-think how people should act - let's leave the games and constituency targetting to the liberals and let conservatives simply get back to being conservative and proposing conservative policies, explaining their value, and convincing the electorate that they are good and that you are competent and honest enough to implement them.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It sounds like something Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or some other ditzy Democrat would come up with - an attempt to group-think how people should act - let's leave the games and constituency targetting to the liberals and let conservatives simply get back to being conservative and proposing conservative policies, explaining their value, and convincing the electorate that they are good and that you are competent and honest enough to implement them.
    Even if that means not getting elected?
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Even if that means not getting elected?
    Let the Democrats be the party of deceit - they are far superior at it anyway. The Republicans, or conservatives in general, should attempt to encourage the more intelligent parts of the electorate to become involved, since it's in their best interest to do so.

    The other piece of advice I'd give Republicans/conservatives is that they become more like Canadian conservatives, like myself - we are fiscally conservative and socially liberal - keep the government out of my wallet and out of my bedroom - by that, I mean that they should concentrate on those issues that are primary to the reasons government exists - concentrate on managing the business of the nation competently and honestly, and get the hell out of all the social/religious divisive nonsense and anyone who won't, pitch them to the curb and find others who will.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Let the Democrats be the party of deceit - they are far superior at it anyway. The Republicans, or conservatives in general, should attempt to encourage the more intelligent parts of the electorate to become involved, since it's in their best interest to do so.

    The other piece of advice I'd give Republicans/conservatives is that they become more like Canadian conservatives, like myself - we are fiscally conservative and socially liberal - keep the government out of my wallet and out of my bedroom - by that, I mean that they should concentrate on those issues that are primary to the reasons government exists - concentrate on managing the business of the nation competently and honestly, and get the hell out of all the social/religious divisive nonsense and anyone who won't, pitch them to the curb and find others who will.
    Where is the deceit in running and supporting moderate republicans?
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Conservative Victory Project is an effort by Karl Rove to, essentially, support more moderate republican candidates over more far right candidates(my wording). There is a ton of information on the group, and I as a democrat am probably the wrong one to try and explain what exactly it does. A quick google search will give you all the information you could want. Many republicans, notable Gingrich, are very opposed to this effort. I am curious as to whether the conservative posters here are in favor of this groups goals, or opposed, and why.

    I ask that only conservatives vote in the poll please, though of course comments are welcome from every one.
    I am against it because I don't consider Rove to be particularly conservative.
    I also think that RINOs are not what is needed in the country.
    Compromise on finances ,meaning lets spend more won't work anymore. IMO

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where is the deceit in running and supporting moderate republicans?
    The deceit is in telling the electorate what they think they want to hear or that they can have benefits without consequences to their country's health or to their own personal wealth. Tell me your definition of "moderate" and I'll bet you're pointing out someone willing to compromise principles for votes. Instead of supporting "moderate" Republicans, Rove would be better advised to seek out and support "principled" Republicans.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    From what I can tell based on the limited amount of DETAILED information their objectives are:
    Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”
    To me this has always been their objective. IMO, this recent ‘project’ is merely a rebranding of their original purpose in an effort to not lose their donors. Ultimately Todd Akin was a very popular candidate who was ahead in the polls until his gaff. Howard Dean did the same thing in ’04 although his ‘gaff’ was much less controversial. The AC project will not prevent similar actions in the future. Considering this I am unsure if this will have any effect on the elections as ultimately our choices are limited to those who dare run and AC cannot ‘vet’ them all away.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    I would need to look into the group.

    If it's looking to try and help moderate candidates in states where a "far right" candidate has literally no realistic chance of even finishing in a respectable position, let alone winning, then I can understand and somewhat support that.

    If it's looking to try and help moderate candidates in states where a "far right" (your words) candidate has a fair to good chance of winning, but the "moderate" has a better chance, then I would oppose it.

    I'd rather have some of my views represented then a gaurantee that none of my views would be represented....

    but I'd rather gamble on a realistic shot at having most of my views represented, over a good shot of having just some of them.

    From looking into some of Rove's statements in the past...my issue with him is that often it seemed (if memory serves) he would push for "moderates" (which is generally big government republicans in Rove speak) in situations where a more conservative candidate could still realistically win.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Conservative Victory Project is an effort by Karl Rove to, essentially, support more moderate republican candidates over more far right candidates(my wording). There is a ton of information on the group, and I as a democrat am probably the wrong one to try and explain what exactly it does. A quick google search will give you all the information you could want. Many republicans, notable Gingrich, are very opposed to this effort. I am curious as to whether the conservative posters here are in favor of this groups goals, or opposed, and why.

    I ask that only conservatives vote in the poll please, though of course comments are welcome from every one.
    I often think of myself as conservative although the social end of conservatism isn't my cup of tea.

    The Tea Party is almost entirely about fiscal matters -- small government, lower taxes, lower spending. But a number of social conservatives have piggy backed in with the Tea Party. So we have these guys getting moderates all upset by proposing restrictions on abortion and the like. They are, in fact, unelectable for the most part. And it's embarrassing when they do manage to get elected because they crap all over the party with their social agenda. The Tea Party people who do manage to get elected do not emphasize the social issues. You don't see Cruz or Rubio proposing bills to restrict abortion and end affirmative action.

    So, in other words, Rove is right. Republicans would do better with candidates that didn't spew nonsense about rape and abortion. These guys ought to be vetted by the party to weed out that sort of person.

    Gingrich appears to be all upset over the idea that a "machine" would be involved in picking candidates. I would say to him that the strategy we have currently isn't doing the job.

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