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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Conservative Victory Project is an effort by Karl Rove to, essentially, support more moderate republican candidates over more far right candidates(my wording). There is a ton of information on the group, and I as a democrat am probably the wrong one to try and explain what exactly it does. A quick google search will give you all the information you could want. Many republicans, notable Gingrich, are very opposed to this effort. I am curious as to whether the conservative posters here are in favor of this groups goals, or opposed, and why.

    I ask that only conservatives vote in the poll please, though of course comments are welcome from every one.
    The Buckley (pbuh) Rule is "Support The Most Conservative Candidate Who Can Win".

    We have a real issue currently within the broad "conservative" movement between people who think you can cut out the second qualifier, and people who think that you have to cut out the first. Rove is no better than those who primary a Republican when their replacement can't win if his goal is simply to replace tea-party-esque candidates with more moderate ones on the argument that "moderate = victory". Republicans would be cursing Senator Christ rather than following Senator Rubio had that logic been applied.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What will be interesting to see is if Karl Rove, who's been bashed for years by many on the left will suddenly be deemed to be credible.

    I smell a Strange New Respect award coming on....

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where is the deceit in running and supporting moderate republicans?
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Rove's downfall is the Left's wildest fantasy come true. Although, Rove was such an artful dodger that at this point it is kind of bitter sweet to see his demise at the hands of his own party instead of a Grand Jury. Oh well, it wasn't for the lack of trying.



    Looks like the tail is wagging the dog now.
    Where do you get this silly ****? This is why no one takes you seriously. A grand jury, the man was a ****ing advisor......do you understand what that means? You people with your Rove-on-the-brain.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Buckley (pbuh) Rule is "Support The Most Conservative Candidate Who Can Win".
    Yep. Granted, there's disagreement on "who can win" at times. But that's my general view point. Naturally there's also disagreement at times on whose "most conservative". But in general, that's my mindset on it. I can accept a more "moderate" candidate in an area where it looks like that's the only realistic shot of getting a victory.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where do you get this silly ****? This is why no one takes you seriously. A grand jury, the man was a ****ing advisor......do you understand what that means? You people with your Rove-on-the-brain.
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    Duh....

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Buckley (pbuh) Rule is "Support The Most Conservative Candidate Who Can Win".
    From what I have found this appears to be the goal of this 'new' project. What am I missing?
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From what I have found this appears to be the goal of this 'new' project. What am I missing?
    The point where their premise is that conservative candidates don't win, so you run moderate ones, like those winners, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Charlie Christ.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From what I have found this appears to be the goal of this 'new' project. What am I missing?
    That the words and actions related to the project seem more aimed at getting "The most conservative candidate who is extremely likely to win" rather than "who can win". If there's a guy with a 50/50 chance to win and is very conservative....and a guy whose got a 75% chance but is very moderate....the position the group would seem to take is that you push the moderate guy. That doesn't really adhere to the Buckley principle.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I would need to look into the group.

    If it's looking to try and help moderate candidates in states where a "far right" candidate has literally no realistic chance of even finishing in a respectable position, let alone winning, then I can understand and somewhat support that.

    If it's looking to try and help moderate candidates in states where a "far right" (your words) candidate has a fair to good chance of winning, but the "moderate" has a better chance, then I would oppose it.

    I'd rather have some of my views represented then a gaurantee that none of my views would be represented....

    but I'd rather gamble on a realistic shot at having most of my views represented, over a good shot of having just some of them.

    From looking into some of Rove's statements in the past...my issue with him is that often it seemed (if memory serves) he would push for "moderates" (which is generally big government republicans in Rove speak) in situations where a more conservative candidate could still realistically win.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Buckley (pbuh) Rule is "Support The Most Conservative Candidate Who Can Win".

    We have a real issue currently within the broad "conservative" movement between people who think you can cut out the second qualifier, and people who think that you have to cut out the first. Rove is no better than those who primary a Republican when their replacement can't win if his goal is simply to replace tea-party-esque candidates with more moderate ones on the argument that "moderate = victory". Republicans would be cursing Senator Christ rather than following Senator Rubio had that logic been applied.
    SO what you two are saying if I understand correctly is that you support this, if and only if they support the most conservative candidates with a reasonable chance of winning?

    Thank both of you for taking the question seriously and giving detailed answers.
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