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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The deceit is in telling the electorate what they think they want to hear or that they can have benefits without consequences to their country's health or to their own personal wealth. Tell me your definition of "moderate" and I'll bet you're pointing out someone willing to compromise principles for votes. Instead of supporting "moderate" Republicans, Rove would be better advised to seek out and support "principled" Republicans.
    I am not defining moderate since that is the job in this case of republicans.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Conservative Victory Project is an effort by Karl Rove to, essentially, support more moderate republican candidates over more far right candidates(my wording). There is a ton of information on the group, and I as a democrat am probably the wrong one to try and explain what exactly it does. A quick google search will give you all the information you could want. Many republicans, notable Gingrich, are very opposed to this effort. I am curious as to whether the conservative posters here are in favor of this groups goals, or opposed, and why.

    I ask that only conservatives vote in the poll please, though of course comments are welcome from every one.
    Rove is an ass, and this is just a ploy. What we need is to get actual conservatives to step up to the challenge, not these mewling cabbages and whores who wear a red tie to work.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Redress, this past election I worked for the campaign of one our state senators. I supported the guy and put way more time and effort than I really had available into the effort to get him reelected because he was(and is), above all else a man who stands on solid conservative grounds. His take on most issues is that it's not the states business to get involved in most issues. The state has basic commitments to public safety, maintaining an infrastructure in which the economy can thrive and providing a mechanism by which disputes can be resolved equitably. Beyond that the states responsibilities are few and should only be entertained at levels which keep the level of control at the individual level.

    Karl Rove is not that kind of politician. Karl Rove is the kind of guy who figures that as long as the candidate has an (R) next to his name and does what the party leadership thinks is best we will all be better off. In that regard he is no different than the Democrats and their Progressive base. Many of the "Social Conservatives" also jumped on that train because they too tend to see the party as the mechanism by which they can use the state to enforce their will.

    Personally, I see things differently. I don't want the state to be in a position to dictate policy based on ideology. I want the state to exist ONLY so that I continue to have the liberty to entertain my own ideology and fairly reap the benefits of doing so.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I often think of myself as conservative although the social end of conservatism isn't my cup of tea.

    The Tea Party is almost entirely about fiscal matters -- small government, lower taxes, lower spending. But a number of social conservatives have piggy backed in with the Tea Party. So we have these guys getting moderates all upset by proposing restrictions on abortion and the like. They are, in fact, unelectable for the most part. And it's embarrassing when they do manage to get elected because they crap all over the party with their social agenda. The Tea Party people who do manage to get elected do not emphasize the social issues. You don't see Cruz or Rubio proposing bills to restrict abortion and end affirmative action.

    So, in other words, Rove is right. Republicans would do better with candidates that didn't spew nonsense about rape and abortion. These guys ought to be vetted by the party to weed out that sort of person.

    Gingrich appears to be all upset over the idea that a "machine" would be involved in picking candidates. I would say to him that the strategy we have currently isn't doing the job.
    Actually, in 2010, when "the machine" was taken out of the picture, the Republicans did FAR better at the polls than they ever have before. What happened after that was that "the machine" started to freak out because they saw that many of the candidates who got elected were willing to stand against the party when their principles guided them toward decisions which were less reliant on government and more reliant on the individual.

    The ONLY way we are going to dig ourselves out of this mess is to allow the will and determination (along with the inevitable pain and suffering) of millions of Americans to freely exercise their God given gifts of inventiveness, determination and willpower.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    What will be interesting to see is if Karl Rove, who's been bashed for years by many on the left will suddenly be deemed to be credible.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    First it's contradictory, moderate republicans are not conservatives. Second the idea that a group can bully out more conservative choices will ensure that the Republican party is finished. Moderate republicans don't get elected, Romney, McCain, dole, all moderate losers. Bush, Reagan were not moderate.

    I never would support a concept that would limit choice.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Rove is about winning elections without a principled platform. That's just not me.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What will be interesting to see is if Karl Rove, who's been bashed for years by many on the left will suddenly be deemed to be credible.
    He want more liberal candidates to win elections, so he will be hailed as an open-minded genius.
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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What will be interesting to see is if Karl Rove, who's been bashed for years by many on the left will suddenly be deemed to be credible.
    Rove's downfall is the Left's wildest fantasy come true. Although, Rove was such an artful dodger that at this point it is kind of bitter sweet to see his demise at the hands of his own party instead of a Grand Jury. Oh well, it wasn't for the lack of trying.



    Looks like the tail is wagging the dog now.

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    Re: For Conservatives Only: Do You SUpport the Conservative Victory Project?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Rove's downfall is the Left's wildest fantasy come true. Although, Rove was such an artful dodger that at this point it is kind of bitter sweet to see his demise at the hands of his own party instead of a Grand Jury. Oh well, it wasn't for the lack of trying.



    Looks like the tail is wagging the dog now.
    It is so satisfying see that the republican party's seemingy best option is to polish a turd.

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