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    Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    So im taking a class called "Political Parties and Elections", and i was sitting in class today and i thought why should pretty popular 3rd parties not be allowed on the national debate?

    What are your thought; do you think third parties should be allowed on the national debates?


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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So im taking a class called "Political Parties and Elections", and i was sitting in class today and i thought why should pretty popular 3rd parties not be allowed on the national debate?

    What are your thought; do you think third parties should be allowed on the national debates?
    If they are sufficiently popular. I don't think any of the candidates would've merited inclusion last year, although Gary Johnson was close. I wouldn't mind having some relatively high polling candidates in the debates, but allowing just every third party that fields a candidate in a debate would be too much. I'd probably lower the current threshold of polling, which I believe is 5%, to something like 2%.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    I thought Ralph Nader and Ross Perot were in the national debates? Weren't they third party candidates?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So im taking a class called "Political Parties and Elections", and i was sitting in class today and i thought why should pretty popular 3rd parties not be allowed on the national debate?

    What are your thought; do you think third parties should be allowed on the national debates?
    Put on the top two third parties might be the way to go.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So im taking a class called "Political Parties and Elections", and i was sitting in class today and i thought why should pretty popular 3rd parties not be allowed on the national debate?

    What are your thought; do you think third parties should be allowed on the national debates?
    Not only should 3rd parties be allowed on the national debate, we should also change our voting system to allow 3rd party politicians to be elected into office.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I thought Ralph Nader and Ross Perot were in the national debates? Weren't they third party candidates?
    Ross Perot was included in the national debates in 1992.

    But Ralph Nader was actually barred from entry to the presidential debates in 2000.

    And Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party were not in any national debates with Mitt Romney or Barack Obama.

    In fact a debate between third-party candidates was held in Chicago sponsored by news outlet Russia Today and moderated by Larry King. This debate included Johnson and Stein, as well as Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. The debate was streamed on YouTube and can be found there.

    Buddy Roemer also ran for President, and sought the nomination of the Reform Party. Early in the election season, he was on "Morning Joe" on MSNBC and got a bit of national exposure that way, but he said in an interview of the podcast "Dan Carlin's Common Sense" he said how the executives at all the major media outlets refused to allow him on so as to give better chances to the candidates for the major two parties.

    Also, it should be noted that presidential debates were overseen by the League of Women Voters in 1976, 1980, and 1984. However, they decided to end this, condemning the demands of the two-party system.

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    The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.
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    In 1987, the Commission on Presidential Debates was created. It is not a government organization. Rather, it is a non-profit corporation created by the Democratic and Republican parties. It is funded by contributions from foundations and corporations.

    Considering the Commission on Presidential Debates is controlled by both the Democratic and Republican parties, it is in their interests to prevent third-party candidates from getting any national exposure.

    Which they do so however they can.

    So our practice in conducting presidential debates is just as corrupt as everything else is in the United States.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    The Dems and the Reps make all the rules regarding the debates. They saw what happened when Ross Perot was allowed to join the debates and have effectively made it impossible for that to ever happen again.

    As long as the overwhelming majority of voters continue to blindly support the "two-party" system we have in this country, we'll never see another "alternative" candidate in a nationally televised presidential debate.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Ross Perot was included in the national debates in 1992.

    But Ralph Nader was actually barred from entry to the presidential debates in 2000.

    And Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party were not in any national debates with Mitt Romney or Barack Obama.

    In fact a debate between third-party candidates was held in Chicago sponsored by news outlet Russia Today and moderated by Larry King. This debate included Johnson and Stein, as well as Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. The debate was streamed on YouTube and can be found there.

    Buddy Roemer also ran for President, and sought the nomination of the Reform Party. Early in the election season, he was on "Morning Joe" on MSNBC and got a bit of national exposure that way, but he said in an interview of the podcast "Dan Carlin's Common Sense" he said how the executives at all the major media outlets refused to allow him on so as to give better chances to the candidates for the major two parties.

    Also, it should be noted that presidential debates were overseen by the League of Women Voters in 1976, 1980, and 1984. However, they decided to end this, condemning the demands of the two-party system.



    In 1987, the Commission on Presidential Debates was created. It is not a government organization. Rather, it is a non-profit corporation created by the Democratic and Republican parties. It is funded by contributions from foundations and corporations.

    Considering the Commission on Presidential Debates is controlled by both the Democratic and Republican parties, it is in their interests to prevent third-party candidates from getting any national exposure.

    Which they do so however they can.

    So our practice in conducting presidential debates is just as corrupt as everything else is in the United States.

    Thanks for the info Sam! How did Ross Perot get in the debates in 1992?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Ross Perot was included in the national debates in 1992.

    But Ralph Nader was actually barred from entry to the presidential debates in 2000.

    And Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party were not in any national debates with Mitt Romney or Barack Obama.

    In fact a debate between third-party candidates was held in Chicago sponsored by news outlet Russia Today and moderated by Larry King. This debate included Johnson and Stein, as well as Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. The debate was streamed on YouTube and can be found there.

    Buddy Roemer also ran for President, and sought the nomination of the Reform Party. Early in the election season, he was on "Morning Joe" on MSNBC and got a bit of national exposure that way, but he said in an interview of the podcast "Dan Carlin's Common Sense" he said how the executives at all the major media outlets refused to allow him on so as to give better chances to the candidates for the major two parties.

    Also, it should be noted that presidential debates were overseen by the League of Women Voters in 1976, 1980, and 1984. However, they decided to end this, condemning the demands of the two-party system.



    In 1987, the Commission on Presidential Debates was created. It is not a government organization. Rather, it is a non-profit corporation created by the Democratic and Republican parties. It is funded by contributions from foundations and corporations.

    Considering the Commission on Presidential Debates is controlled by both the Democratic and Republican parties, it is in their interests to prevent third-party candidates from getting any national exposure.

    Which they do so however they can.

    So our practice in conducting presidential debates is just as corrupt as everything else is in the United States.
    Very nice analysis!

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    100% should be included. I understand the "we can't include everyone" argument as you can aggregate up to a number of candidates which makes the debates difficult and too long; but there's no reason we should cap the number at 2. Political competition is a necessity to keeping a Republic.
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