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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with concentrating on the views of the 2 canidates that generally represent 96-97% of the population. Already these debates seem to go by fast with short abbreviated answers to complicated questions. Either those abbreviated answers are shorter or the debate length is more than doubled.
    Well for one, they are staged debates.
    So it's nothing more than a repetition of talking points and canned answers.
    Others have done multiparty debates before.
    It's not a new concept.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    An ignorant assumption that ones belief on this is based on "fear".

    Debate times are limited. The american public's attention span is generally low. And we already have a massively underengaged voting base as is. Diluting an hour and a half debate by adding, lets say 3, additional voices to it...when those voices are found to be more attractive to less than 1% of the American public...could be viewed as doing a disservice to the political process and the American People. A person could believe that they don't need to be added to the debate because it would be a detriment to the political process rather than "fear". But because you have an agenda, you immedietely leap to demonize your opponent.
    Ahh the ol' The American People Are Too Stupid To Hear More Than Just The Two Major Party Lines, defense.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    if your party is on the ballot in all 50 states ( or possibly a majority of the ballots), your party should be at the debates.

    a simple and fair rule


    supporting the status quo duopoly is a choice, it's not a necessity.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Those who qualify for a majority (51%) of state ballots, should be included.
    Okay. Once again, many of the arguments you and Ikari are making can also be applied to that. You create a scenario that still has an inherent Catch-22. You can't get onto the ballots without exposure, you can't get exposure if you don't get on the ballots.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are lots of things to clean up. McCain-Feingold needs to be done away with, corporate contributions controlled, equal access to media, being allowed in the debates, etc. I'm all for major changes to our election sequence in order to ensure proper political competition.

    I don't see why y'all are so opposed to political competition.
    Equal access to media...so you support government control of the media?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    An ignorant assumption that ones belief on this is based on "fear".

    Debate times are limited. The american public's attention span is generally low. And we already have a massively underengaged voting base as is. Diluting an hour and a half debate by adding, lets say 3, additional voices to it...when those voices are found to be more attractive to less than 1% of the American public...could be viewed as doing a disservice to the political process and the American People. A person could believe that they don't need to be added to the debate because it would be a detriment to the political process rather than "fear". But because you have an agenda, you immedietely leap to demonize your opponent.
    Your response here sounds more like a problem with the public, than with more ideas participating.
    Yes I do demonize my opponent, because the standards for entry are inflated to prevent entry.

    Supporting that is wrong, imo.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay. Once again, many of the arguments you and Ikari are making can also be applied to that. You create a scenario that still has an inherent Catch-22. You can't get onto the ballots without exposure, you can't get exposure if you don't get on the ballots.
    Lots of parties are on enough State ballots that they could technically win the election. Ergo, if that were the qualifier, many more parties would be allowed access to the debates and thus would gain the exposure necessary to start to garner support for their platform.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not just my guy. But even if we didn't address the other plethora of problems plaguing our elections, ensuring that more than just the main parties are in the debate can go a long way to restoring political competition.
    Wouldn't actually appealing to more people be the first step to restoring competition?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay. Once again, many of the arguments you and Ikari are making can also be applied to that. You create a scenario that still has an inherent Catch-22. You can't get onto the ballots without exposure, you can't get exposure if you don't get on the ballots.
    Getting on to 51% of state ballots is far, far easier than getting 15% of the national vote.
    This is the area where grass roots campaigns can work, the rest needs to be played out in the major media.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ahh the ol' The American People Are Too Stupid To Hear More Than Just The Two Major Party Lines, defense.
    Ahh, the good old mock and ridicule the person you're debating rather than addressing their point or highlighting issues with their argument. You and Harry are doing well with that.

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