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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    IIRC, Bill Clinton wanted him included.
    How did Bill Clinton influence the rules for debate inclusion? Are you saying Perot did not have 15% public support before the debates?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    IMO The two parties D & R have hosed us all.
    A sensible working man has no chance of getting on a ballot anywhere!
    As long as the 2 parties make the election rules nobody else has a chance!

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You can't fund raise without media exposure and you won't get media exposure without fund raising.
    He's 100% right, you're supporting a catch 22.
    You certainly can fundraise without media exposure. The media is free to cover who and what they want. The limits are not the fault of the system, but the fault of the third parties, who tend to not have platforms that are not well received. Again, support issues and priorities that Americans like, and the rest will follow. Libertarians and Green party and so on do not do this, then blame the system.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How did Bill Clinton influence the rules for debate inclusion? Are you saying Perot did not have 15% public support before the debates?
    It was part of Memorandum of Understanding, the contract drawn up before the debates between both candidates.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Allowing in 2 additional parties is no more "fair" than allowing in 0 additional parties. In both case, the party left on the outside feels they are being "slighted".

    I would suggest a change to the rules regarding debates:

    A qualified candidate is one representing a party that will be represented on 90% of state ballots.

    A qualified poll is one that includes each qualified candidate when asking for voter preference.

    A candidate should only be able to attend a debate if he polled above 10% in a qualified poll during a one month period prior to the debate.

    If there are no qualified polls (IE no polling company adheres to the 90% rule), then all qualified candidates can attend the debate.
    You have to show that you can have a national presence on ballots so that you have a realistic oppertunity to win if you got support. You have to show that you can actually garner enough public support to warrant being given the additional time and exposure at the expense of other candidates. If you reach those two levels, then you absolutely should be included in the debates.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You certainly can fundraise without media exposure. The media is free to cover who and what they want. The limits are not the fault of the system, but the fault of the third parties, who tend to not have platforms that are not well received. Again, support issues and priorities that Americans like, and the rest will follow. Libertarians and Green party and so on do not do this, then blame the system.
    No not really.
    You're supporting a lousy excuse to continue the current system.
    There are more than 2 "third" parties.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Why would we not allow any presidential candidate into the national presidential candidate debates?

    Thanks to the internet, this is becoming more and more of a non issue. People are learning to get their information from the net, rather than the evening news. Mainstream media is taking too many hits from pundits like Stewart and Colbert, and too many people are realizing that the lot of them are completely, ireversebly....full of bull****. So, they turn to the internet.

    Personally, I think this would ALL be solved by simply creating a public fund for campaigning. The end.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No not really.
    You're supporting a lousy excuse to continue the current system.
    There are more than 2 "third" parties.

    I know, I just selected the "biggest"(relatively) two.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No not really.
    You're supporting a lousy excuse to continue the current system.
    There are more than 2 "third" parties.
    Redress doesn't realize this, of course....because those other parties can't get onto state ballots, they can't get onto national debates, and due to those two measures, they can't get enough awareness about themselves to generate 2 party threatening levels of revenue. Resulting in....Redress not knowing about them.

    But clearly, THAT is not the issue, here. The issue is, those other parties to don't tow the two party line, and therefor, no one likes them. Has NOTHING to do with not being a household name, thanks entirely to mainstream media.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You certainly can fundraise without media exposure. The media is free to cover who and what they want. The limits are not the fault of the system, but the fault of the third parties, who tend to not have platforms that are not well received. Again, support issues and priorities that Americans like, and the rest will follow. Libertarians and Green party and so on do not do this, then blame the system.
    It's because the system is specifically set up against their success. The Republic is on the line, we must have open political competition.

    Michael Badnarik and David Cobb (Libertarian and Green Presidential Candidate) obtained a legal Order to Show Cause that would have allowed he and David into the Presidential elections. In the attempt to serve the papers at the Presidential Debates, the two of them were arrested and taken to jail, held until the debate was over. And how many major news organizations carried the news that two Presidential Candidates on the ballot in all 50 States were arrested outside the Presidential Debates while trying to serve legal papers that would have allowed their access into the debates? None.

    That's the system you endorse. One in which the main party uses force of State to purposefully keep third parties out of the spotlight. One in which we arrest Presidential candidates instead of letting them have equal access to the system. Land of the Free, yes? Where is that free speech you talk of? Where is that "free market" you run your mouth about? It's not there. The system is controlled, it is regulated, and it is specifically set to destroy political competition. That is the reality, that is the measured state of our political system. But keep endorsing the Catch-22 cause that will drive us to a better place
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