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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They were trying to use a court order as an excuse to disrupt a debate. Wow how classy.
    They were two Presidential candidates on all 50 State ballots who obtained legal order to appear at the debates and were arrested and held until the debates were over.

    Is there something wrong with that? How classy indeed to ARREST POLITICAL CANDIDATES AT A DEBATE, and to hold them until the debate is over. Do you seriously not see issue with any of this?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They were two Presidential candidates on all 50 State ballots who obtained legal order to appear at the debates and were arrested and held until the debates were over.

    Is there something wrong with that? How classy indeed to ARREST POLITICAL CANDIDATES AT A DEBATE, and to hold them until the debate is over. Do you seriously not see issue with any of this?
    I think there's more to the story you're purposefully forgetting. I guess if I gave a **** about anything the green party has to say on any issue I would look further into it.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think there's more to the story you're purposefully forgetting.
    No, there really isn't. There's A LOT of the story YOU'RE forgetting; but that's about it. But you ran your mouth saying "I didn't know there were armed guards keeping them out.". Now you've been presented with that actually happening; and what do you have? Backtracking and deflection. That's it. Nothing more.

    In America, land of the free, 2 Presidential Candidates outside the Presidential Debates were arrested and held until the debates were over, and you are apparently OK with that level of Mao-esk communist tactics. Well good show. Don't stop to think, don't stop to research and find out, don't ponder the implications of doing so. Just trudge forward, head in sand, thinking there's no problem. That's how solutions are found.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, there really isn't. There's A LOT of the story YOU'RE forgetting;...
    ....implying I knew about it in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In America, land of the free, blah blah etc etc from the top of my soap box...
    If they had a right to be there they would have been let in. Obviously something was amis.

    Who cares about the green party anyway? How about we defend someone relevant?

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ....implying I knew about it in the first place.
    Implying that you are just dismissing it now

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    If they had a right to be there they would have been let in. Obviously something was amis.

    Who cares about the green party anyway? How about we defend someone relevant?
    Who cares about an open political system with proper political competition as it relates to keeping a democratic Republic? Did you seriously just say that?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Implying that you are just dismissing it now
    <1.5% of the popular vote = irrelevant. That's pretty easy to dismiss. You need at least 5% to be included in a debate. 3rd parties didn't make it, they had a tantrum, got arrested. Boo-****ing-hoo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who cares about an open political system with proper political competition as it relates to keeping a democratic Republic?
    <1.5% of the popular vote =/= competition. You really thought a candidate was going to win the election with 1.5% of the popular vote?

    Show me the 3rd party which is currently, today, pulling 40%+ of the popular vote and being denied access.

    You want to champion a bunch of loud-mouthed losers, go for it, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-25-13 at 03:02 PM.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    <1.5% of the popular vote = irrelevant. That's pretty easy to dismiss. You need at least 5% to be included in a debate. 3rd parties didn't make it, they had a tantrum, got arrested. Boo-****ing-hoo.
    So because you think they have no chance, we can arrest them? That's pretty sick. They went through our established system. Went to the courts, as one should, got a legal Order to Appear from the judge; anything wrong with that? Got arrested trying to serve it. The depths some of you are willing to go to hide yourselves from the self-evident truth of our current system is truly staggering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    >1.5% of the popular vote =/= competition.

    Show me the 3rd party which is currently, today, pulling 40%+ of the popular vote and being denied access.
    Yes, in a system specifically set up to prevent 3rd party competition, fund raising, etc. show me the one that has overcome the systematic odds placed ahead of them so that Jerry can decree them "viable" and thus we cannot arrest them. The system is set up against being able to compete, but "show you can compete in a system set against you competing, and we'll allow you to compete" is as retarded an argument as you can give. You need X before Y, but you need Y to get X...that's the ol' Catch-22 and that's what you're endorsing. Thanks.

    This is a Republic if we can keep it, we don't have time to be dicking around with stupid rules which force the system into stagnation and prevent competition. What is so bad about an open political system? What do you fear would happen by allowing open political competition in a free and democratic Republic?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So because you think they have no chance, we can arrest them? That's pretty sick.
    Without 5%, they had no right to be there. They were rightfully arrested, not being oppressed, and they knew it, and did it anyway so as to get sympathy.

    And...it was an order to show cause addressed to the comity, not an order to appear...and it didn't apply to the candidates. They could have had anyone deliver it. Orders to appear apply to court hearings, not debates. You can't be ordered to appear at a debate. That's just ****ing retarded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, in a system specifically set up to prevent 3rd party competition, fund raising, etc. show me the one that has overcome the systematic odds placed ahead of them so that Jerry can decree them "viable" and thus we cannot arrest them. The system is set up against being able to compete, but "show you can compete in a system set against you competing, and we'll allow you to compete" is as retarded an argument as you can give. You need X before Y, but you need Y to get X...that's the ol' Catch-22 and that's what you're endorsing. Thanks.

    This is a Republic if we can keep it, we don't have time to be dicking around with stupid rules which force the system into stagnation and prevent competition. What is so bad about an open political system? What do you fear would happen by allowing open political competition in a free and democratic Republic?
    Nothing stops anyone from donating money to a cause of their choice. 3rd parties can't raise money because no one buys into their bull****.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-25-13 at 03:09 PM.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Without 5%, they had no right to be there. They were rightfully arrested, not being oppressed, and they knew it, and did it anyway so as to get sympathy.
    Rightfully arrested for trying to serve legal, court ordered papers that would have let them compete!!!???? Seriously? Do you listen to yourself or is this just rapid fire despotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nothing stops anyone from donating money to a cause of their choice. 3rd parties can't raise money because no one buys into their bull****.
    Nothing does....except for McCain-Feingold and a variety of other campaign laws which restrict the individual while unbridling the corporation in terms of donations. 3rd parties can fundraise to various effects; but the rules are currently set up on the national stage such that you come up from one of the major parties or you must be independently wealthy to have a chance. The cutoff was listed well too high, the system purposefully set up to stop third parties from ever reaching that barrier for participation.

    So again. What is so bad about an open political system? What do you fear would happen by allowing open political competition in a free and democratic Republic?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Rightfully arrested for trying to serve legal, court ordered papers that would have let them compete?
    1.5% does not give you any right to debate. Anyone could have served those papers, and, were the papers served, the comitty would have had days to weeks to respond. No matter how you cut this, those losers had no right to be at the debate.

    Even if the court ordered the comity to let these people in, that doesn't matter. You have to be invited by the comity and cleared through Secret Service. That's not going to happen on-the-spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing does....except for McCain-Feingold and a variety of other campaign laws which restrict the individual while unbridling the corporation in terms of donations. 3rd parties can fundraise to various effects; but the rules are currently set up on the national stage such that you come up from one of the major parties or you must be independently wealthy to have a chance. The cutoff was listed well too high, the system purposefully set up to stop third parties from ever reaching that barrier for participation.

    So again. What is so bad about an open political system? What do you fear would happen by allowing open political competition in a free and democratic Republic?
    You get 40% of the vote behind you and any fine print stopping your fundraising today will be washed away...1.5% isn't going to cut it; most polls have a margin or error bigger than that. That's hardly a political presence at all.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-25-13 at 03:18 PM.

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