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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    100% should be included. I understand the "we can't include everyone" argument as you can aggregate up to a number of candidates which makes the debates difficult and too long; but there's no reason we should cap the number at 2. Political competition is a necessity to keeping a Republic.
    The number is not capped at 2, it is 15 % poll support. If you reach that barrier, you will be invited. As such the premise of this poll is incorrect.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The number is not capped at 2, it is 15 % poll support. If you reach that barrier, you will be invited. As such the premise of this poll is incorrect.
    It's artificially inflated and controlled to specifically keep third parties out. The premise of the poll is in fact functionally correct.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    I think we should include 2 third parties and cap it at four of the most popular.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's artificially inflated and controlled to specifically keep third parties out. The premise of the poll is in fact functionally correct.
    Don't expect your well-reasoned, substantive argument to have an effect on the shills for the two-party system.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's artificially inflated and controlled to specifically keep third parties out. The premise of the poll is in fact functionally correct.
    The premise of the poll is that third parties cannot take part. This is in fact incorrect. All the third parties need do is actually appeal to a portion of the populace. Since the answer is that third parties are allowed, the poll options are incorrect. You could make an argument for a lower threshold, but that is not what the poll asks.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Don't expect your well-reasoned, substantive argument to have an effect on the shills for the two-party system.
    Shouldn't there be a well reasoned argument to argue against? I mean, facts are actually important to most people...
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The premise of the poll is that third parties cannot take part. This is in fact incorrect. All the third parties need do is actually appeal to a portion of the populace. Since the answer is that third parties are allowed, the poll options are incorrect. You could make an argument for a lower threshold, but that is not what the poll asks.
    3rd parties cannot functionally take part because the rules set by the controlling party are specifically put at such a high level as to purposefully exclude third party participation.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    3rd parties cannot functionally take part because the rules set by the controlling party are specifically put at such a high level as to purposefully exclude third party participation.
    Well, no. Third parties do not take part because third parties do not appeal to enough people. If third parties stopped playing the victim and actually tried to promote issues important to American voters, they will get included. For god's sake, Perot figured that out, it can't be that hard to do.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, no. Third parties do not take part because third parties do not appeal to enough people. If third parties stopped playing the victim and actually tried to promote issues important to American voters, they will get included. For god's sake, Perot figured that out, it can't be that hard to do.
    Not hard at all. Step One: Be a billionaire...

    Perot showed that if you are independently wealthy, it doesn't matter how insane you are. Media exposure will get you over 10%. Which is why the rules were changed after that to prevent third party competition. If Perot got over 10% because he was able to buy exposure; how much could more reasoned political philosophies garner if given equal opportunity to compete?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perot showed that if you are independently wealthy, it doesn't matter how insane you are. Media exposure will get you over 10%. Which is why the rules were changed after that to prevent third party competition. If Perot got over 10% because he was able to buy exposure; how much could more reasoned political philosophies garner if given equal opportunity to compete?
    Speach is free in this country. You can get all the exposure you want. 15 % threshold is not that outrageous, if you can't get that much support, you are not winning and it defeats the point of the debate to have you there. Build support, and the rest will come. If you can't build support, then you are not getting elected, and there is no point in having you at the debate.
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