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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Should they be allowed? Sure. Do they have a right to be involved in a debate? Of course not. Freedom of association is a two way street.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    YES
    With a qualififer, that the debates be real and respectful....this, unfortuniately, would be a first on our for profit media...

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Should they be allowed? Sure. Do they have a right to be involved in a debate? Of course not. Freedom of association is a two way street.
    That would be true if it wasn't an integral part of the election process. The two-party system has a tyrannical monopoly of government. Typical of the shills for the two-party system, you are conveniently ignoring this fact. The two major parties are using their control over the political process to keep out the competition. Making this about freedom of association is either disingenuous or naive, and I know you well enough to know you aren't naive.

    If the democrats and republicans gave up any and all public campaign financing, and the debates were entirely private, you would have a point. But since the debates are quasi-governmental, it is violative of the rights of the people to exclude the smaller parties from the system by setting guidelines specifically to exclude the smaller parties.

    15% is a number no third party could hope to achieve without a billionaire backer. But if the smaller parties are given access to the major debates, it will allow them to get their message out there, and it will only be a matter of time before they present serious competition to the two major parties, which is, of course, exactly what the republocrats don't want. The our government might start to resemble a real democracy.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    If they are sufficiently popular. I don't think any of the candidates would've merited inclusion last year, although Gary Johnson was close. I wouldn't mind having some relatively high polling candidates in the debates, but allowing just every third party that fields a candidate in a debate would be too much. I'd probably lower the current threshold of polling, which I believe is 5%, to something like 2%.
    The problem is that the parties themselves continually shoot themselves in the foot and Gary Johnson was a prime example. He gained attention and even some credibility as a republican candidate with libertarian ideals. When he became the de facto libertarian candidate he abandoned the reasoned intelligent approach and commentary that got him that attention and suddenly became a dumbass hipster with stupid youtube campaign messages. The Libertarian party would have been better off with a solid businessman with long term libertarian standing like Wayne Allen Root. It has always been the case. The reform party did it...hell...even the Green party did it.

    As much as I would LIKE to see the debates opened up and as much as I despise the two parties and what they have become, the fact of the matter is that no other viable 3rd party has EARNED a spot on the stage.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    the political system we have is hardly a two party system or republican democracy and maybe never was. Letting third, fourth and so on is necessary for a true political debate.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    the political system we have is hardly a two party system or republican democracy and maybe never was. Letting third, fourth and so on is necessary for a true political debate.
    Did you see Johnsons Libertarian party "Zombie" commercials? In order to be welcome into the debate you should probably bring something to the table. And I TRULY hope that eventually viable third parties emerge. But...Roseanne ****ing Barr? Seriously?

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That would be true if it wasn't an integral part of the election process. The two-party system has a tyrannical monopoly of government. Typical of the shills for the two-party system, you are conveniently ignoring this fact. The two major parties are using their control over the political process to keep out the competition. Making this about freedom of association is either disingenuous or naive, and I know you well enough to know you aren't naive.

    If the democrats and republicans gave up any and all public campaign financing, and the debates were entirely private, you would have a point. But since the debates are quasi-governmental, it is violative of the rights of the people to exclude the smaller parties from the system by setting guidelines specifically to exclude the smaller parties.

    15% is a number no third party could hope to achieve without a billionaire backer. But if the smaller parties are given access to the major debates, it will allow them to get their message out there, and it will only be a matter of time before they present serious competition to the two major parties, which is, of course, exactly what the republocrats don't want. The our government might start to resemble a real democracy.
    Spare me from your whining.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Yes, anyone with enough votes to land on the ballot should participate. Take it away from the cable news networks and banish the celebrity hosts. It should be aired exclusively on CSPAN and hosted by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Anyone who goes over their time has their mic cut off.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Of course they should be "allowed". It is a disgrace that they aren't included in the first place. Some board who has no authority given to them somehow thinks that they can set up completely arbitrary criteria and deny people access? They should have all been hung in the public square years ago.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Spare me from your whining.
    Of course, you are wise to try to avoid acknowledging that you are part of the problem, but it is obvious to any objective observer that I have bested you in this debate and you have no counter argument, so spare me the obnoxious sniping. Put up a counter argument or shut up.

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