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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which in no way changes the fact that it's still a Catch-22. At best it makes it a slightly less difficult to over come Catch-22. But it's still there.
    The actual Catch-22 is very difficult to get over, though we should make the steps through changes to campaign finance and participation in debates to better control on the primary system, etc. which has spun out of control so that only those with the most money can run. However, that being the case, even a little respite would be a welcomed change.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The reason we have 2 parties though I believe is how our systems are ran more than the actions of the two parties. The two major parties have changed over time....but it's always two major parties.
    our system is stable at 2 main parties because of its setup. It doesn't mean it's stable at the same 2, nor does it mean that it's OK to destroy political competition because there will be 2, nor does it mean that third parties cannot be in office or be present in the system.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hillarious. You sit here ridiculing the current system for being a Catch-22 while just posts earlier endorsing a system with an inherent catch-22 within it.
    Sorry but the position I posted is quite achievable for most, third parties.
    There is no number limit, just ballot qualifications.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And where did I suggest it was a "good reason". I suggested only that it was ignorant to assume that "fear" of competition was the only reason an individual could possibly be against third parties being given easier access to debates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    An ignorant assumption that ones belief on this is based on "fear".

    Debate times are limited. The american public's attention span is generally low. And we already have a massively underengaged voting base as is. Diluting an hour and a half debate by adding, lets say 3, additional voices to it...when those voices are found to be more attractive to less than 1% of the American public...could be viewed as doing a disservice to the political process and the American People. A person could believe that they don't need to be added to the debate because it would be a detriment to the political process rather than "fear". But because you have an agenda, you immedietely leap to demonize your opponent.
    You included it as a suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Then you should stop supporting yourself since you dishonestly suggested that Redress's stance was based on the notion of "fear" of third parties competing
    I can't for my life figure out another reason why anyone would support the current process.
    I guess I wrongly assumed it was fear.

    The other stated reasons, seem to be quite retarded.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well the point is that even if they aren't elected, even in 50 years, that the ideas get noticed.
    It doesn't matter if they win, it matters that the ideas are put out there.
    And I agree with that to an extent....which is why I'm in the camp of the 2 major parties but am sympathetic to third parties. I also want to hear by far the most from the 2 canidates that represent the two coalitions that will be running government.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I looked at the final election results from 2012. Here are 3 through 5:

    Gary Johnson-.99 %
    Jill Stein-.36 %
    Virgil Goode-.09 %

    while candidates are purposefully kept as "unknowns" we'll never see those levels of popularity change...ever.

    these folks are complete strangers to the general public.. and that is by design.

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I believe the threshold was added after Perot, they were sued (by someone I can't remember) and that person lost.
    I just read that the 15% criteria came into being in the year 2000.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Absolutely. The public airwaves should be utilized so that 3/5ths of the 6 or so hours that is given to nationaly televised debates can be canabalized by individuals who garner less than 2% interest of the American Public. This would clearly be the only reasonable and acceptable conclussion one could possibly take for any reason other than fear and is the only one that isn't "retarded".

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which in no way changes the fact that it's still a Catch-22. At best it makes it a slightly less difficult to over come Catch-22. But it's still there.
    It's a lot less.
    Having presence in states at grass roots level, achieve ballot access sigs, is a hell of a lot easier than polling 15%.

    It doesn't require massive amounts of money or media exposure.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Put them in the debates. The Republocrats surely have nothing to fear, yes?
    I would rather the debates exist to, in theory anyway, inform the public about candidates who have a reasonable chance to impact the election.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would rather the debates exist to, in theory anyway, inform the public about candidates who have a reasonable chance to impact the election.
    I'd rather the debates exist to, in theory anyway, inform the public about the candidates and their political platforms so that the People may judge for themselves which candidate best echoes their political platform and concerns.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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