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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's no excuse to limit the choices to 2.
    I did not claim it was. It was an argument as to why to have a limit. It is not currently limited to 2, it is limited to those who reach an arbitrary cutoff.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Getting on to 51% of state ballots is far, far easier than getting 15% of the national vote.
    This is the area where grass roots campaigns can work, the rest needs to be played out in the major media.
    None of which changes the inherent catch-22 nature of your own standard.

    I'm fine with you having that standard...or Ikari having his 5 party standard...but don't bitch about the current situation based upon an arugment of it being a "catch-22" and that making it bad, and then present your own alternative containing it's very own catch-22

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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't know.
    I do know that Bill Clinton wanted him in the debates.

    I read a book about it several years ago.
    It's not a snipe at Bill Clinton, if that's how you're taking it.

    I'm not seeing it as a snipe, I am seeing it has superfluous if Perot already had 15% approval.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm completely sympathetic to parties outside of the 2 main parties. I'd be one of the first to get behind an amendment creating a proportional voting system or run off elections.....and here's the but....due to how elections happen in this country people generally consolidate before elections into the two major parties. Those two parties represent 96ish% of the population to a degree. I kind of want those two individuals to have as much time as possible to answer the debate questions. Maybe the highest represented 3rd party canidate would be nice to provide another view but 5 total is just too much.
    Why is 5 too much? Why should the information the People can hear and the political platforms they are exposed to be limited to under 5? Could it be that the perception of 2 parties only is perpetuated through control of the election cycles, arbitrary limiters placed on the system to specifically allow only two, media misrepresentation and silence on competing political ideologies, campaign finance restrictions, etc. be the reason why it is presented to the People that there are only 2 choices?
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Perhaps it is an issue with the public. None the less, it's also reality. And even beyond that, the fact you vie wit more as a public problem than a participation one is irrelevant to the notion that it's a legitimat ealternative reason why someone may view the issue in that fashion other than "fear".
    Is that really a good reason to limit debate participants?
    You say, "well they only have X% of support."
    Yet the very reason they may have so little support is because there is no inclusion.

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    Clearly showing your inability to even debate or argue your own point as you degrade your argument to the point of making fraudulent statements as a means of demonization and debasing your opponent based on nothing but your own ignorant stereotyped delusions of what you believe they think.
    Sorry, some of these things should be self evident.
    The operations and negotiations between the parties included in the debates, more or less show that they are a farce, that they are not debates.
    Supporting dishonesty is not ok in my book.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm not seeing it as a snipe, I am seeing it has superfluous if Perot already had 15% approval.
    I believe the threshold was added after Perot, they were sued (by someone I can't remember) and that person lost.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not claim it was. It was an argument as to why to have a limit. It is not currently limited to 2, it is limited to those who reach an arbitrary cutoff.
    That cutoff being specifically placed by those already in power at a level unobtainable by others through a controlled system of finance contributions, limited media exposure, and exclusion from debates.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well for one, they are staged debates.
    So it's nothing more than a repetition of talking points and canned answers.
    Others have done multiparty debates before.
    It's not a new concept.
    Sure...for the most part. There have also been situations in debates where individuals opinions have changed (first debate in the last election comes to mind) due to a debate).

    I know it's not a new concept but multiparty debates generally happen in countries with multiparty systems where a canidate with 15% of the vote could technically be a majority in a coalition party in charge. It's a little different when even 10% of the vote gives you no power in this country. If a third party polled at 10% across the country there's a good chance they would have no elected officials in power.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    HG, they do not have that support by the time of the debates. The debates are irrelevant to the support they garner beforehand.
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    Re: Should 3rd Parties Be Allowed on the National Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That cutoff being specifically placed by those already in power at a level unobtainable by others through a controlled system of finance contributions, limited media exposure, and exclusion from debates.
    Except that it has been reached, so it is not unreachable.
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