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Age vs Political Idilogy

I am a .....

  • 18 to 30 Year old Liberal

    Votes: 10 22.7%
  • 18 to 30 Year old Conservative

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • 31 to 45 Year old Liberal

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • 31 to 45 Year old Conservative

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • 46 to 65 year old Liberal

    Votes: 9 20.5%
  • 46 to 65 Year old Conservative

    Votes: 10 22.7%
  • 66 and Older Liberal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 66 and Older Conservative

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Total voters
    44
I think the reason many of us, myself included, get more socially liberal as we get older is because we gain more and more independence as we get older. We learn to think on our own, not follow the pack, and we stop caring what other's think. We realize that others are actually trying to tell us how to think and what we can believe after we've spent so many years going through tough times and many failures to learn where we stand. We don't want to spend that personal capital on what basically equates to growing up only to have some douche in a big building who's never met us think he can tell us he knows better for us that we do.
 
Picking a political philosophy is a lot like picking tomatoes: You have to stoop or bend over to pick one.
 
20s. I've noticed I've become less democratic and more elitist and authoritarian in some ways (in some limited ways, what late 18th and 19th century conservatives used to find as more comfortable), at the same time that I embrace a fair bit of late 20th century Left-wing thought without the socialist pretensions. So all of this mixes into a big ball with the mid-20th century liberalism I have....and out I come.
 
In fact, I'd argue that liberals and neo-cons are very, very similar. There just is no actual conservative party in America today.

Wonder whose fault that is.

There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.
 
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Wonder whose fault that is.

There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.

The entire idea of an "actual" conservative is largely .....well, misconception of intellectual history.
 
Well im 20 years old and socialist wasnt on there so i chose liberal even tho im not one(hell ive been called a liberal enough around here so wtf)
 
I am a 66 year old who believes in fiscal responsibility. In other words that the government should not spend any more money that what it takes in except in extreme emergencies, I would classify the great depression and WWII as those emergencies. I also have no problem with abortion, a woman should be able to do what she wants with her own body, no problem with gay marriages, I think President Obama did the right thing on immigration in not departing the children of illegals. Simply put, I think any individual ought to be able to live the life they want as long as they are not harming others. I guess this makes me a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

That is not an answer or choice in your poll. So I choose none of the above.

You are far too logical to be a Conservative and you can't say anything good about the President either. What did you think of Clinton when he balanced the budget?
 
Well im 20 years old and socialist wasnt on there so i chose liberal even tho im not one(hell ive been called a liberal enough around here so wtf)

There aren't many on here who know the difference anyway.
 
The entire idea of an "actual" conservative is largely .....well, misconception of intellectual history.

In a way. A principled conservative would be a person who recognizes ancient sources of power (behavior, ideals, etc) of his civilization that ought to be maintained or restored because they could continue to serve as sources of power in contemporary times. In all likelihood, the degree to which such sources of power truly existed or can exist is overstated, but even if they existed to only a tiny extent, that can still make all the difference between whether society succeeds or fails.

For example, at the onset of the Roman Empire, Augustine used his new found authority as emperor to restore long lapsed religious rituals and festivals from the Republic Era because such policies had a demonstrable civilizing (strengthening) influence on a culture long exposed to the chaotic influences of excessive populism, partisan politics, and civil war, in the same way modern prison conversions have demonstrable deterring influence on future crimes. In both cases, a religious imperative is instituted that compels less overtly aggressive and socially dividing behaviors than existed previously, whether among American criminals or Roman citizens. Fact is, reviving these religious institutions tied directly into centuries of Pax Romana.

As a rule, social elites (like Augustine) tended to be most conservative partially because their vantage point offered them a commanding view of the advantages of pursuing such policies, both for themselves and for society as a whole. As a rule, the extent to which their exercise of conservatism was legitimate was the extent to which "themselves" aligned with "society as a whole" -- that is, they supported the maintenance or restoration of policies that ultimately provided the necessary benefits for society as a whole to flourish and grow, not just for their own standing or power (which ultimately must be incidental to the exercise of true conservatism by elites).

The only place where American social elites live up to that lofty ideal is inside their own heads, if they bother to think about it at all. As practiced, their standing and power doesn't depend on the success of the United States so much on their ability to exert multnational influence through globalism, which as administered is not beneficial to the American people, or really, almost any human being who is not one of the 10% wealthiest Americans.

They are mistaken to believe the source of their lasting power ought to be invested in non-American sources, but multinationalism can be a misguiding influence.
 
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I'm a 26-year-old communist, so I fall outside the range of this poll. :)

As for the side discussions, although I diametrically disagree with it, I can respect true (traditionalist) conservatism (think Burke, Nisbet, Kirk, and more recently, Berger) far more than what passes for conservatism among the contemporary American right (the Tea Party, etc.). The former is principled, prudent, and intellectual, the latter is willfully ignorant, uninformed, and irrational.
 
"Liberal" and "conservative", really? Two labels the media talking heads attach to those schizophrenic heaps of incompatible notions? I am too old for such nonsense.
 
Wonder whose fault that is.

There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.

We've raised at least one generation of stupid, lazy people with their hand out and conservatism, at it's heart, demands personal responsibility. One of it's core values is that people are responsible for themselves and that the government is not here to hand them free stuff just for waking up in the morning. I'll be the first one to say that most Americans these days are too damn stupid to be actual conservatives today.

That's just sad.
 
The entire idea of an "actual" conservative is largely .....well, misconception of intellectual history.

No, what is being called "conservative" in modern-day America has nothing to do with conservatism, they've simply adopted the label to mean something that has no bearing on what conservative used to mean. There is nothing in the modern Republican party that says personal responsibility, small government, fiscal responsibility, etc. That's what being a conservative is. The liberals-turned-Republicans just stuck a "neo" on it and pretend that they're actually conservatives.

They're not.
 
Well im 20 years old and socialist wasnt on there so i chose liberal even tho im not one(hell ive been called a liberal enough around here so wtf)
Wait a minute.....liberals and socialists are different? When did that happen?!:lamo
 
I think the reason many of us, myself included, get more socially liberal as we get older is because we gain more and more independence as we get older. We learn to think on our own, not follow the pack, and we stop caring what other's think. We realize that others are actually trying to tell us how to think and what we can believe after we've spent so many years going through tough times and many failures to learn where we stand. We don't want to spend that personal capital on what basically equates to growing up only to have some douche in a big building who's never met us think he can tell us he knows better for us that we do.

I didn't have to wait. I somehow knew what you stated when I was nineteen, thirty-eight years ago.
 
I started out life with liberal tendencies, most likely because of the era I became politically aware. I didn't vote for Reagan either time, but I did vote for Bush 41 two times. I had become more conservative after my kids were born and stuck with that, sadly, through several elections until I realized that wasn't who I truly was. The party of Poppy Bush was much more compassionate and reasonable, not demanding purity. Gay rights, women's rights, the social safety net are important to me, so I embraced liberalism again. I still have some conservative tendencies, but they not served by today's conservatives.
 
I use child labor.

In other words....you didn't personally pick a political philosophy? Now you've screw up some kid's mind with nonsense...regardless of which philosophy the kid picks. Shame on you, Ikari...
 
I am 58 and wish to conserve liberal values.

This places me at odds with illiberal leftists and illiberal righties, both.
 
In other words....you didn't personally pick a political philosophy? Now you've screw up some kid's mind with nonsense...regardless of which philosophy the kid picks. Shame on you, Ikari...

Kids need jobs too.
 
Kids need jobs too.

If you say so. You've really got a knee-slapper going. I can hardly contain the laughter. As usual, derailing is always funny. But, TheGirlNextDoor loves your answer so it's gotta be just the way it is.

By your posts...you must be a true patron of political philosophies...or at least one, perhaps. And you probably didn't stoop or bend over a bit to pick it did ya?
 
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