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Thread: Age vs Political Idilogy

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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In fact, I'd argue that liberals and neo-cons are very, very similar. There just is no actual conservative party in America today.
    Wonder whose fault that is.

    There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.
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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Wonder whose fault that is.

    There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.
    The entire idea of an "actual" conservative is largely .....well, misconception of intellectual history.
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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Well im 20 years old and socialist wasnt on there so i chose liberal even tho im not one(hell ive been called a liberal enough around here so wtf)


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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am a 66 year old who believes in fiscal responsibility. In other words that the government should not spend any more money that what it takes in except in extreme emergencies, I would classify the great depression and WWII as those emergencies. I also have no problem with abortion, a woman should be able to do what she wants with her own body, no problem with gay marriages, I think President Obama did the right thing on immigration in not departing the children of illegals. Simply put, I think any individual ought to be able to live the life they want as long as they are not harming others. I guess this makes me a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

    That is not an answer or choice in your poll. So I choose none of the above.
    You are far too logical to be a Conservative and you can't say anything good about the President either. What did you think of Clinton when he balanced the budget?

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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well im 20 years old and socialist wasnt on there so i chose liberal even tho im not one(hell ive been called a liberal enough around here so wtf)
    There aren't many on here who know the difference anyway.

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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There aren't many on here who know the difference anyway.
    Unfortunately not.


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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The entire idea of an "actual" conservative is largely .....well, misconception of intellectual history.
    In a way. A principled conservative would be a person who recognizes ancient sources of power (behavior, ideals, etc) of his civilization that ought to be maintained or restored because they could continue to serve as sources of power in contemporary times. In all likelihood, the degree to which such sources of power truly existed or can exist is overstated, but even if they existed to only a tiny extent, that can still make all the difference between whether society succeeds or fails.

    For example, at the onset of the Roman Empire, Augustine used his new found authority as emperor to restore long lapsed religious rituals and festivals from the Republic Era because such policies had a demonstrable civilizing (strengthening) influence on a culture long exposed to the chaotic influences of excessive populism, partisan politics, and civil war, in the same way modern prison conversions have demonstrable deterring influence on future crimes. In both cases, a religious imperative is instituted that compels less overtly aggressive and socially dividing behaviors than existed previously, whether among American criminals or Roman citizens. Fact is, reviving these religious institutions tied directly into centuries of Pax Romana.

    As a rule, social elites (like Augustine) tended to be most conservative partially because their vantage point offered them a commanding view of the advantages of pursuing such policies, both for themselves and for society as a whole. As a rule, the extent to which their exercise of conservatism was legitimate was the extent to which "themselves" aligned with "society as a whole" -- that is, they supported the maintenance or restoration of policies that ultimately provided the necessary benefits for society as a whole to flourish and grow, not just for their own standing or power (which ultimately must be incidental to the exercise of true conservatism by elites).

    The only place where American social elites live up to that lofty ideal is inside their own heads, if they bother to think about it at all. As practiced, their standing and power doesn't depend on the success of the United States so much on their ability to exert multnational influence through globalism, which as administered is not beneficial to the American people, or really, almost any human being who is not one of the 10% wealthiest Americans.

    They are mistaken to believe the source of their lasting power ought to be invested in non-American sources, but multinationalism can be a misguiding influence.
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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    I'm a 26-year-old communist, so I fall outside the range of this poll.

    As for the side discussions, although I diametrically disagree with it, I can respect true (traditionalist) conservatism (think Burke, Nisbet, Kirk, and more recently, Berger) far more than what passes for conservatism among the contemporary American right (the Tea Party, etc.). The former is principled, prudent, and intellectual, the latter is willfully ignorant, uninformed, and irrational.

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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    "Liberal" and "conservative", really? Two labels the media talking heads attach to those schizophrenic heaps of incompatible notions? I am too old for such nonsense.

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    Re: Age vs Political Idilogy

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Wonder whose fault that is.

    There's no real conservative party because at a cultural level there's no real desire for conservatism, just the thrill of competition, theatrics, and drama. Conservatism requires a certain kind of dignity, realism, and restraint that Americans as a rule have no stomach for, and the right-wing in particular.
    We've raised at least one generation of stupid, lazy people with their hand out and conservatism, at it's heart, demands personal responsibility. One of it's core values is that people are responsible for themselves and that the government is not here to hand them free stuff just for waking up in the morning. I'll be the first one to say that most Americans these days are too damn stupid to be actual conservatives today.

    That's just sad.
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