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Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Does "white privilege exist"?


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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

For the record, anyone who doesn't think that white privilege exists inherently also believes that racism and racial discrimination don't exist since white privilege is the other side of those phenomena.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

It's only controversial when people take it personally instead of treating it like a factual social phenomenon.

Its controversial when you decide that you want to start teaching it in schools and use it as essentially a permanent race card.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

When will people realize that reality has nothing to do with what you "believe."

As soon as people who think they know everything realizes it's no longer the 1950's.

It has to do with what is. And white privilege is

It has to do with what was but you seem to "believe" it still is.

- and isn't negated by upper class privilege no matter how hard people try to claim that it is.

Who said anything was negated. It does not exist as I said the 1950's are gone. Why don't you join us in 2013.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

As soon as people who think they know everything realizes it's no longer the 1950's.

It has to do with what was but you seem to "believe" it still is.

Who said anything was negated. It does not exist as I said the 9150's are gone. Why don't you join us in 2013.
White privilege exists in 2013, period, just as male privilege, straight privilege and class privilege exist. If experience and reason don't illustrate that for you, then there is enough research on the subject for you to inform yourself. Do you need sources?
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

The longer blacks keep convincing themselves that the other races have advantages over them the longer they'll remain at the bottom of the pack with respect to academic and income levels, similar to how a white guy who dwells on blacks having bigger dicks on average is going to miss out on some action.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White privilege exists in 2013, period, just as male privilege, straight privilege and class privilege exist. If experience and reason don't illustrate that for you, then there is enough research on the subject for you to inform yourself. Do you need sources?

No I don't need sources that some of it exists. It is not however institutionalized or accepted. I have more experience than you do and I can honestly say it's all about money now, and almost has nothing at all to do with race. You need to do your own research and stop playing the white guilt race card. It would help for starters.

I can show even more sources saying the exact and polar opposite form non biased sources. So yes, post them.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Its controversial when you decide that you want to start teaching it in schools and use it as essentially a permanent race card.
The reality of white privilege isn't taught enough in schools as it is - in fact, it's barely, if at all, referenced in schools. I know I didn't read about it specifically until AFTER college. From the comments in this thread, it's pretty obvious to me that 1) a lot people don't know what white privilege actually is (i.e. they think it means all white people are rich), and 2) a lot of people are hopelessly ignorant of how prevalent white privilege is. I would strongly support efforts to educate people from a young age about it. Education is always a good thing.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

The longer blacks keep convincing themselves that the other races have advantages over them the longer they'll remain at the bottom of the pack with respect to academic and income levels, similar to how a white guy who dwells on blacks having bigger dicks on average is going to miss out on some action.

Don't try and tell liberals that, their heads will explode, lol.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

The reality of white privilege isn't taught enough in schools as it is - in fact, it's barely, if at all, referenced in schools. I know I didn't read about it specifically until AFTER college. From the comments in this thread, it's pretty obvious to me that 1) a lot people don't know what white privilege actually is (i.e. they think it means all white people are rich), and 2) a lot of people are hopelessly ignorant of how prevalent white privilege is. I would strongly support efforts to educate people from a young age about it. Education is always a good thing.

You are mistaken on a few things here...

No one said it is the same as having money or that all white people are rich. Please point out someone who said that nonsense. We know exactly what it is and people like you (liberals) think it exist because whites are the majority plain and simple.

So please start posting the sources so I can tear them down.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Lol... Nazi makes thread, the usual critters come out from under the floor to complain about how they haven't benefited from white privilege as if it's some kind of VISA you get simply for being born white.

I would say for the most part I agree with you.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

No I don't need sources that some of it exists. It is not however institutionalized or accepted. I have more experience than you do and I can honestly say it's all about money now, and almost has nothing at all to do with race. You need to do your own research and stop playing the white guilt race card. It would help for starters.
White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?

I can show even more sources saying the exact and polar opposite form non biased sources. So yes, post them.
This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.

White privilege as it pertains to:

Wealth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1400/1418_ch1.pdf
http://www.brandeis.edu/provost/div...The_Hidden_Cost_of_Being_African_American.pdf

Police/Justice System
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/3ae6a86f4.pdf

Employment/Housing/Credit/Income
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/pdf/bertrand.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf
National Report Card on Discrimination in America: The Role of Testing
Income gap persists among racial groups : William M. Hartnett

Education
http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
The Stealth Inequities of School Funding | Center for American Progress
http://www.schoolfundingfairness.org/National_Report_Card.pdf
http://bsdweb.bsdvt.org/district/EquityExcellence/Research/Why_Segreg_Matters.pdf
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411785_equal_revenues.pdf

Societal prejudice
Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows | World news | guardian.co.uk
Study: Racist Attitudes Are Still Ingrained - TIME

Psychological effects of prejudice
Perceived Racism May Impact Black Americans' Mental Health
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev443787.pdf
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~salomon/Mat...gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
The effects of discrimination could last a lifetime
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

You are mistaken on a few things here...

No one said it is the same as having money or that all white people are rich. Please point out someone who said that nonsense. We know exactly what it is and people like you (liberals) think it exist because whites are the majority plain and simple.
The fact that whites are a majority is a contributing factor to the reality of white privilege, yes. However, it's mostly about the fact that whites have historically and currently dominated power structures in American society and thus, tend to have advantages because of that. I mean, racial discrimination doesn't exist unless someone has the privilege of not being discriminated against.

I also don't know why you're making this a "liberal vs. conservative" issue. White privilege is a societal issue. Let's try to keep partisanship out of this and stay on topic.

So please start posting the sources so I can tear them down.
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?


This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.

White privilege as it pertains to:

Wealth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1400/1418_ch1.pdf
http://www.brandeis.edu/provost/div...The_Hidden_Cost_of_Being_African_American.pdf

Police/Justice System
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/3ae6a86f4.pdf

Employment/Housing/Credit/Income
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/pdf/bertrand.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf
National Report Card on Discrimination in America: The Role of Testing
Income gap persists among racial groups : William M. Hartnett

Education
http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
The Stealth Inequities of School Funding | Center for American Progress
http://www.schoolfundingfairness.org/National_Report_Card.pdf
http://bsdweb.bsdvt.org/district/EquityExcellence/Research/Why_Segreg_Matters.pdf
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411785_equal_revenues.pdf

Societal prejudice
Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows | World news | guardian.co.uk
Study: Racist Attitudes Are Still Ingrained - TIME

Psychological effects of prejudice
Perceived Racism May Impact Black Americans' Mental Health
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev443787.pdf
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~salomon/Mat...gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
The effects of discrimination could last a lifetime

Does this "white privelage" only apply here in the states or does it apply elsewhere, say Angola, Ethipoia, Somolia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, India, Cuba, or perhaps Argentina? How about Russia, or Isreal, or Germany, or France?
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White privilege has nothing to do with "white guilt." It's about the advantages "whiteness" provides in a society historically and currently dominated by white people. In fact, "white guilt" would probably get in the way of an honest discussion of the undeniable reality of white privilege. Can you please stick to the topic and not veer off into red herrings?


This is a very incomplete list of sources, but it's good for beginners.

White privilege as it pertains to:

Wealth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1400/1418_ch1.pdf<===Book and opinion piece. No sources just opinion.
http://www.brandeis.edu/provost/div...The_Hidden_Cost_of_Being_African_American.pdf<---This actually backs what I have been saying, lol.

Police/Justice System
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf<---Minority's commit more crime. No surprises here. What does this have to do with privilege?
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/3ae6a86f4.pdf<---Again this supports what I have been saying. The disparity is more about being able to afford a good lawyer than anything else. Please drug crime is more prevalent in the black community. This has nothing at all to do with white privilege. I agree a disparity in sentencing exists, but this again is about money.

Employment/Housing/Credit/Income
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/pdf/bertrand.pdf<--- 5.11% disparity. Wow, yea considering blacks make up 13% of the population that sounds about right. In the end it turned out to be less than 4% difference. I am sorry that is far from some kind of privilege when you add in affirmative action etc.
http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf
National Report Card on Discrimination in America: The Role of Testing
Income gap persists among racial groups : William M. Hartnett

Education
http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
The Stealth Inequities of School Funding | Center for American Progress
http://www.schoolfundingfairness.org/National_Report_Card.pdf
http://bsdweb.bsdvt.org/district/EquityExcellence/Research/Why_Segreg_Matters.pdf
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411785_equal_revenues.pdf

Societal prejudice
Racial prejudice in US worsened during Obama's first term, study shows | World news | guardian.co.uk
Study: Racist Attitudes Are Still Ingrained - TIME

Psychological effects of prejudice
Perceived Racism May Impact Black Americans' Mental Health
http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev443787.pdf
http://www.cas.usf.edu/~salomon/Mat...gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
The effects of discrimination could last a lifetime

The only beginner here is you my friend...

I am not even going through the rest as they have literally nothing to do with any kind of white privilege.

What does the "Psychological effects of prejudice" have to do with white privilege?

Employment and education are easy, has nothing to do with white anything. A majority of blacks go to school in poorer neighborhoods. Less tax base, lower quality teachers, lower quality education, higher drop out rates. Now lets add in drugs, gangs etc and you have a whole list of why it has nothing to do with any kind of white privilege. Again, it's about money. Most of your sources say the same damn thing.

So as soon as you come up with something better and read your own links.

I bid you good day.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

The fact that whites are a majority is a contributing factor to the reality of white privilege, yes. However, it's mostly about the fact that whites have historically and currently dominated power structures in American society and thus, tend to have advantages because of that. I mean, racial discrimination doesn't exist unless someone has the privilege of not being discriminated against.

I also don't know why you're making this a "liberal vs. conservative" issue. White privilege is a societal issue. Let's try to keep partisanship out of this and stay on topic.

It's not liberals vs conservatives. It's liberals vs a well educated and successful black man who is sick of the excuses.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Because, I'm showing your how other cultures have influenced the "white" culture that you criticize so heavily.

Who's criticizing white culture? You must be very oversensitive if you think what I am doing is criticizing.

And what do you mean by white? What heritage do you consider white? I'm willing to bet, you'll say Western European.

Terrible bet. I'm actually referring to American whites. Not white immigrants, or the children of white immigrants, as they are usually members of their ethnic cultures or bi-cultural (ethnic cultures such as Irish or Italian or Russian).

In the past, white culture used to just be the WASP culture here. Papists like the Micks and Degos were rejected.

It's not a "white" culture, its an "American culture."

White American culture.

Point being, you're criticizing us against a nonexistent standard.

There's your oversensitivity again. If I have a receding hairline, it is not a criticism to point it out while describing me. I'm not criticizing White American culture by describing it.

You're saying that America should remain fragmented with completely separate and different cultures.

No, I'm saying that when one is from the dominant culture they have the privilege of not having to conform to someone else's culture in order to get ahead. They are free to be true to themselves. You are saying that pointing this out somehow makes a value statement, which is patently absurd and sounds more like a result of your own insecurities than anything I have said.


What I'm saying, is that it is an organic process where the "dominant" culture adopts some aspects of the integrating culture, and the integrating culture adopts some aspects of the "dominant" culture.

That is what happens... over time. While that is happening, the people in the dominant culture enjoy many privileges that those in the "inferior" culture (the one being "integrated") cannot possibly enjoy by virtue of their inferior position.

the problem that many white people have is that they expect a process to be instantaneous, or to work far more rapidly than it does.

The fact is, America is the most culturally diverse country in the world

I'd say Brazil is more culturally diverse than we are, personally.

even if we aren't 100% perfect.

We do not have to be. Pointing out that we aren't is not in any way a criticism because there is no expectation of perfection. There's always room for improvement, of course, but, as I have already said, I don't think this particular issue can be fixed.

Here's the thing that some people need to realize, though: I'm not criticizing anything.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

It's only controversial when people take it personally instead of treating it like a factual social phenomenon.

If someone takes offense to the discussion of white privilege, that's entirely on them. They are clearly insecure in their own racial identity. Basically, they are no different than a black man who thinks that comparing something to a black hole is racist.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

If someone takes offense to the discussion of white privilege, that's entirely on them. They are clearly insecure in their own racial identity. Basically, they are no different than a black man who thinks that comparing something to a black hole is racist.

Racial identity? My race is human - the human race. There is no other race...just people with different physical characteristics that some people insist actually makes one individual different from another on a non-superficial basis...which is of course nonsense.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Racial identity? My race is human - the human race. There is no other race...just people with different physical characteristics that some people insist actually makes one individual different from another on a non-superficial basis...which is of course nonsense.

Race is a social construct that exists. Denying it's existence as a social construct doesn't add anything to the discussion at all.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

It's not liberals vs conservatives. It's liberals vs a well educated and successful black man who is sick of the excuses.

There are no "excuses" created by acknowledging white privilege. White privilege is merely a term which describes the unearned benefits that go along with being white in the US. Those unearned benefits are pretty much just being part of the dominant culture. Just like anything else, the benefits are not universal in every respect. One white person might enjoy more white privilege than another white person, for various reasons. For some individuals, the benefits of white privilege are often overridden by the effects of some other detriment, such as socio-economic status or education (those two things have a far greater overall benefit/detriment effect than race or gender do, IMO).

And as someone has mentioned before, there is also such a thing as black privilege. There's nothing about excuses.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White "privilege" is simply a manifestation of White productivity. Blacks with
talent have no problems finding employment.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

If someone takes offense to the discussion of white privilege, that's entirely on them. They are clearly insecure in their own racial identity. Basically, they are no different than a black man who thinks that comparing something to a black hole is racist.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I told Black Manta that "white guilt" could hinder honest discussions of white privilege. People who feel guilty about being white are insecure about their racial identity and its implications. That alone could lead to complete denial of white privilege or an exaggeration of how much privilege there is in order to cope with that insecurity. In short, it's not a good look.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Race is a social construct that exists. Denying it's existence as a social construct doesn't add anything to the discussion at all.

And imparting non-superficial stereotypes to people strictly on the basis of superficial tendencies adds nothing to humanity... Plus is supremely ignorant.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

And imparting non-superficial stereotypes to people strictly on the basis of superficial tendencies adds nothing to humanity.

To claim someone is in a different 'race' just because they have more or less melanin in their skin is ignorant in the extremis.

Race is an existing social construct, regardless of our opinions on the existence of such a construct. In a perfect world full of puppy dogs and candy canes, there would be no social construct that is called race, but we don't live in a perfect world. Because the social construct exists, people experience its effects psychologically.

It is the opposite of ignorance to acknowledge reality.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

The only beginner here is you my friend...

I am not even going through the rest as they have literally nothing to do with any kind of white privilege.

What does the "Psychological effects of prejudice" have to do with white privilege?

Employment and education are easy, has nothing to do with white anything. A majority of blacks go to school in poorer neighborhoods. Less tax base, lower quality teachers, lower quality education, higher drop out rates. Now lets add in drugs, gangs etc and you have a whole list of why it has nothing to do with any kind of white privilege. Again, it's about money. Most of your sources say the same damn thing.

So as soon as you come up with something better and read your own links.

I bid you good day.
You said that you were going to "tear apart" my sources. All you've done is give your unsubstantiated opinions on the subjects I put in bold while I provided you with ample research that you clearly haven't examined. All of the research I provided you handles your response so whenever you feel like being less ignorant, you should read them. But I'm sure as hell not about to go through all of your lazy, unsubstantiated opinions after I went through the trouble of getting you genuine research only to have you not even attempt to seriously consider it. I will, however, address one of your points though because it amuses me.

You asked me why the psychological effects of prejudice are about white privilege. Well, white privilege is defined as the advantages that whiteness provides over non-whiteness whether those advantages are material, social, legal, psychological or some other category. That you would ask me what do "the psychological effects of prejudice" have to do with white privilege illustrates your ignorance on the subject. Anyone who has done even a minimal amount of research on the subject wouldn't have asked that question. So just as white people have the advantage of not dealing with systemic discrimination; they have the advantage of not dealing with the well-researched psychological effects of systemic discrimination.

You've done two things in this "discussion": 1) Proved that you are uninformed about white privilege. 2) Proved that you don't want to be informed about white privilege. I can't work with someone who doesn't even want to learn so this will be my last response to you. You have a good amount of research. I've done all I can do. I genuinely hope that you will do more research into the subject instead of just assuming that you have knowledge that you don't.

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” ― Stephen Hawking
 
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