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Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Does "white privilege exist"?


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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

You know whats great about social constructs? They can cease to exist.

Hence the term "social" construct.


Until they cease to exist, though, they have effects. Much like anything else.

Hell, people all cease to exist (not just can cease to exist, they will certainly cease to exist), yet they have effects while they exist, and sometimes long after they have ceased to exist.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Was it actually doing that or was it perceived by some to be doing that? Because I heard people say the same thing when it was taught in my college, when I was present for it being taught, and it didn't actually do that at all, dspite their belief that it was.

For example, I know for a fact that I never once did that here, but some people have certainly made the assumption that I have. That's on them and their own insecurity about racial discussions, not on me.

No he most certainly used it in that context. For instance, one time during the semester our professor brought up how racist it is that felons can't vote. One student was like "but they are felons." The professor screams at the kid, no! that's a racist lie! Then said how blacks are over represented in the felon population, so therefore preventing felons from voting is racist.
"White privilege" is just was just an extension of that. He also discussed the concept of "color blind racism" at the same time as white privilege saying how someone who isn't overtly racist, but supports a meritocracy over affirmative action and redistribution is inherently a racist.
This was just one of several episodes.


The reason I'm against the concept is because as a white male, I don't feel privileged in any way. I see plenty of women and minorities who go much farther in life then I have. Rather, I see myself as being fairly treated by the system, and would simply say everyone else deserves the same.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Until they cease to exist, though, they have effects. Much like anything else.

Hell, people all cease to exist (not just can cease to exist, they will certainly cease to exist), yet they have effects while they exist, and sometimes long after they have ceased to exist.

Maybe we should be spending our time making them cease to exist then instead of teaching things on the assumption that they are fact.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Based on what was typed, I stand behind what I typed.

Then you have phenomenally inadequate reading comprehension skills, because what was typed by me was nothing like what you have imagined to be typed.

Take a wild guess if I care much if you agree with me on this or not?

It's already obvious that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge reality. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement, because we are not talking about opinions. You are free to continueremaining willfully ignorant by disavowing the existence of objective reality if you like, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not be any less incorrect by doing so.


You can try and deflect and nitpick all you like (typical tactic when someone has no facts to back up their point-of-view).

I love it when someone calls pointing out the fact nitpicking when they do not want to acknowledge reality. You can tell that they have become "exacerbated" when they do this.

The fact remains, there is only one race...the human race.

The fact remains, race is a social construct that exists and has effects. What you are calling a fact is an opinion of yours. Humanity is not even a race, it is a species. By trying to feign "technical" accuracy, you failed to recognize the obvious fact that if the social construct of race ceases to exist, there are NO RACES AT ALL. Only a single species.

And to call someone a different 'race' because they have more melanin in their skin is ignorant in the extremis...for lots of reasons.

To claim that the social construct of race doesn't exist and that it doesn't have effects is not simply ignorant, it's delusional.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Maybe we should be spending our time making them cease to exist then instead of teaching things on the assumption that they are fact.

Why do you have the misguided idea that explaining the existence of white privilege is somehow mutually exclusive from working to end the social construct?

Awareness of the effects of the social construct is of absolute importance to ending the social construct's existence.

If people are not aware of the underlying effects, they might spout off delusional nonsense like "There's only one race, the human race. Thus we shouldn't talk about white privilege or the effects of racism because it doesn't exist".

Problems do not get solved by ignoring their effects.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Its not education, its indoctrination. I think the first time I heard about white privilege was in my 8th grade class? Wall of silence. It was brought up again in college last semester in my sociology class. Wall of silence.

I'm all for teaching nondiscrimination. But when you start attributing success on the basis of race, that in my opinion is crossing the line. Its basically turning into, "you're white so you owe everyone else something because you were historically privileged." What the F? I don't feel privileged when I'm up studying for 6 hours a night, I don't feel privileged working my way through college while others use their grant money on $300 headsets and $900 iPads. I'm originally of a Jewish Heritage, might I remind you one of the most historically oppressed groups for thousands of years. You look at other immigration groups in our countries history, they all faced discrimination and hatred at first in this country. Now you just consider them "white" and act like they're the ones who have had it easy. I think Frank Costello (the Departed) said it best "no one is going to give it to you, you have to take it."

And quite frankly, I'd say if you want to teach white privilege, you also have to teach iq discrepancy on the basis of race. How do you feel about that? Its something that has been widely discussed and supported, and we'd simply be "educating people." But I'm not for teaching either, because its teaching people to judge individuals and what may be true over an entire population is not always true on an individual level. But if you're going to teach one for the "education factor" I'd say you have to teach both.

And here's the thing, race is a social construct. But why do we have to accept it as such? Teaching about white privilege merely validates the construct. Why? Shouldn't we be teaching students to get rid of the social construct, not trying to validate it?
1. I wish I had gone to your school.

2. White privilege doesn't mean that success is determined by race.

3. White privilege doesn't mean that white people "owe" anyone anything.

4. White privilege doesn't mean that white people don't have to study or work while other people buy iPads.

5. White privilege doesn't mean that all white people have "had it easy."

6. I have no problem teaching students about IQ discrepancies, their origins and their effects. Good suggestion.

7. Race is a social construct. Teaching about white privilege doesn't "validate" it; teaching about white privilege acknowledges the effects that that social construct has on society and individuals within it.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

The whole concept is just more left wing race bating BS.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Then you have phenomenally inadequate reading comprehension skills, because what was typed by me was nothing like what you have imagined to be typed.



It's already obvious that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge reality. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement, because we are not talking about opinions. You are free to continueremaining willfully ignorant by disavowing the existence of objective reality if you like, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not be any less incorrect by doing so.




I love it when someone calls pointing out the fact nitpicking when they do not want to acknowledge reality. You can tell that they have become "exacerbated" when they do this.



The fact remains, race is a social construct that exists and has effects. What you are calling a fact is an opinion of yours. Humanity is not even a race, it is a species. By trying to feign "technical" accuracy, you failed to recognize the obvious fact that if the social construct of race ceases to exist, there are NO RACES AT ALL. Only a single species.



To claim that the social construct of race doesn't exist and that it doesn't have effects is not simply ignorant, it's delusional.

Oh great...seemingly yet another bored fellow who likes to breakdown discussions into tiny little bits so he can try and make nonsensical points just to try and make himself feel superior in some way.

Sorry man, I have no desire to do that...life is way too short.

And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of many people I find in 'race'-based threads. Sad and rather amusing. Or to put another way...I don't take you all that seriously...no offense intended. I sincerely do not feel you have made a straightforward and accurate substantive point to me yet.

Interesting though how you tell me I am exacerbated even after I tell you I am not. Makes me wonder if you do that to people in the real world (tell them what they are feeling even if they claim otherwise).


My point remains. There is only one 'race' (IMO) - the human race.

And to suggest that someone is a different 'race' strictly because they happen to have a cerrtain amount of melanin in their skin is (IMO) ignorant (I took out the 'extremis' part...it was probably too extreme).


Since you obviously do not agree with me or do and just like to argue/debate (I can't quite tell which), I/see further discussion with you on this subject as pointless.


So, have a nice day.

BTW, for the record...I am a 'white' male.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

Here's the question, though, how do those facts (which I am neither disputing nor denying in any way, as they are facts) "prove" that white privilege doesn't exist?

The existence of white privilege does not prevent the effects of wealth privilege or education privilege from being seen in the white community as well as non-white communities.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Here's the question, though, how do those facts (which I am neither disputing nor denying in any way, as they are facts) "prove" that white privilege doesn't exist?

The existence of white privilege does not prevent the effects of wealth privilege or education privilege from being seen in the white community as well as non-white communities.

What the hell is this babbling about? Argument for the sake of arguing? Sorry, the SNL skit Eddie Murphy did about 'white people' is not reality, no matter how much some want to fuel the false fire...
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Oh great...yet can other bored fellow who likes to breakdown discussions into tiny little bits so new can try and make nonsensical points just to try and make himself feel superior in some juvenile way.

Pointing out facts is not "making nonsensical points".

Sorry man, I have no desire to do that...life is way too short.

You have no desire to let the facts play a role in your opinions?

And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of most people I find in 'race'-based threads.

So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?


Interesting though how you tell me I am exacerbated even after I tell you I am not.

Of course you aren't exacerbated. You're not a problem, you are a person. I know this, I'm just being sarcastic because it pleases me to do so.

Makes me wonder if you do that to people in the real world (tell them what they are feeling even if they claim otherwise).

I'm usually more sarcastic in the real world.


My point remains. There is only one 'race' (IMO) - the human race.

I share that opinion (or, more correctly, there is no such thing as objective 'race' because it is a purely social construct used to describe phenotypical variances found in members of the human species).

The unfortunate fact remains, however, that our opinions about race do not eradicate the existence of the social construct of race.

And to suggest that someone is a different 'race' strictly because they happen to have a cerrtain amount of melanin in their skin is (IMO) ignorant in the extremis.

Unfortunately, the social construct is defined by society, not individuals. There were times when Irish people were considered to be a different race from other people with similar melanin levels. Biologically speaking, there is not much difference in the melanin levels of a person of Hispanic decent and a person of Sicilian decent, yet they are often viewed to be of different "races" under the current social constructs of race in this country. Brazil has a very different social construct of race, where terminology like "money whitens" is actually seen as somewhat literal (i.e. a person who has money is "whiter" than a person who is the same objective color that does not have money).

Is it ignorant for society to use superficial phenotypical differences as the basis for differentiation? Sure. But that does not change the fact that society does this, nor does it mitigate the effects that doing this has on people. Those effects are often made worse if we ignore them.

Since you obviously do not agree with me or do and just like to argue/debate (I can't quite tell which), I/see further discussion with you on this subject as pointless.

It's not a matter of agreement, as I have said repeatedly. I am in agreement with your opinions much more than you seem to think I am. Our opinions about the facts do nothing to change those facts, though.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

What the hell is this babbling about? Argument for the sake of arguing? Sorry, the SNL skit Eddie Murphy did about 'white people' is not reality, no matter how much some want to fuel the false fire...

So are you simply unable to answer the question, or are you unwilling to do it? You made a claim. You attempted to present evidence that you felt proved that the claim is correct. I am challenging you to explain how that "evidence" proves your claim to be correct. It's really rather simple. If you can't do it or are unwilling to do it, then you can't pretend that it is evidence to support your claim.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

So are you simply unable to answer the question, or are you unwilling to do it? You made a claim. You attempted to present evidence that you felt proved that the claim is correct. I am challenging you to explain how that "evidence" proves your claim to be correct. It's really rather simple. If you can't do it or are unwilling to do it, then you can't pretend that it is evidence to support your claim.

So you are arguing for the sake of argument. Thanks for the clarification.

If you want to live in the world of reality, the information on who and how many are on welfare is out there. Have fun.

If you want to just continue arguing, making false assumptions, and attacking others because you have nothing else to offer, have at it... Most thinking people have already tired of such nonsense and will continue to ignore you.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

So you are arguing for the sake of argument. Thanks for the clarification.

I am arguing in order to get you to challenge your assumptions, since they appear to be flawed.

If you want to live in the world of reality, the information on who and how many are on welfare is out there. Have fun.

If you want to just continue arguing, making false assumptions, and attacking others because you have nothing else to offer, have at it... Most thinking people have already tired of such nonsense and will continue to ignore you.

Ah, so you are incapable of supporting your position intelligently, but refuse to alter your position despite it's foundation of ignorance.

Got it.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Pointing out facts is not "making nonsensical points".



You have no desire to let the facts play a role in your opinions?



So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?




Of course you aren't exacerbated. You're not a problem, you are a person. I know this, I'm just being sarcastic because it pleases me to do so.



I'm usually more sarcastic in the real world.




I share that opinion (or, more correctly, there is no such thing as objective 'race' because it is a purely social construct used to describe phenotypical variances found in members of the human species).

The unfortunate fact remains, however, that our opinions about race do not eradicate the existence of the social construct of race.



Unfortunately, the social construct is defined by society, not individuals. There were times when Irish people were considered to be a different race from other people with similar melanin levels. Biologically speaking, there is not much difference in the melanin levels of a person of Hispanic decent and a person of Sicilian decent, yet they are often viewed to be of different "races" under the current social constructs of race in this country. Brazil has a very different social construct of race, where terminology like "money whitens" is actually seen as somewhat literal (i.e. a person who has money is "whiter" than a person who is the same objective color that does not have money).

Is it ignorant for society to use superficial phenotypical differences as the basis for differentiation? Sure. But that does not change the fact that society does this, nor does it mitigate the effects that doing this has on people. Those effects are often made worse if we ignore them.



It's not a matter of agreement, as I have said repeatedly. I am in agreement with your opinions much more than you seem to think I am. Our opinions about the facts do nothing to change those facts, though.
the following is exactly what I am talking about.

You typed:
'So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?'

And yet I typed absolutely nothing of the kind.

You obviously read into things what you want to see.

As for the rest. I could care less (in this subject) what the 'social construct' is. I care what is right and wrong.


Have a nice day.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

I haven't studied those places as extensively as I've studied the United States so I don't have as informed opinion about the role white privilege does or does not play in those areas.

Try an uniformed guess then. Is it "white" privledge as you call it or more the founding or dominate cultures "institutional advantage". The US was essintially founded by white european christens with paternalistic bent, yes? Does it not stand to reason that a countries foundational culture and morais, is reflected in its institutions and dominate culture? That most every country has a dominate culture, that determines the norms of that country? Would that just be simply the standard dynamic whatever country and its dominate culture and founding precepts. The reason I ask these questions is because I am fairly well traveled, having been to Africa, the Middle East and Europe and most every state of the union barring Alaska and Hawaii. I have experianced the diffent dynamics of different countries and cultures. "Institutional advantage" is what I call it. Its pervasive in every country and culture. Its a natural, abet unfair tendency of man. Fact is whether you like it or not that advantage to some degree is pretty much ALWAYS going to exist in one form or another though not nessearilly in the current forms or by the curent cultures. ALMOST ALL cultures do this. So more so than others. The United States version is actually fairlly mild. We in our country are EXCEPTIONALY mild point of fact. The point I am attempting to make is the "white privaledge" you experiance is not excactly that per say, but more of the dominate culture and its influence on the norms of society and its institutions. So really "white priveledge" as you put it, is nothing more than a phenominom of a currently dominate culture. Take California for instance, the primary culure has been the white protestent paternal version(s). But as of late it has been slowly changing to one more of a hispanic cultural bent. This has to do with the population change we are exepriancing. Right now "Hispanics" and "whites" are at parity with the trend saying toward the end of this year or next the hispanic population exceeding the white population. As that occures the culture will start to focus more to a hispanic mindset and less a white mindset. This is resulting in more hispanic "institutional advantage".
 
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1. I wish I had gone to your school.

2. White privilege doesn't mean that success is determined by race.

3. White privilege doesn't mean that white people "owe" anyone anything.

4. White privilege doesn't mean that white people don't have to study or work while other people buy iPads.

5. White privilege doesn't mean that all white people have "had it easy."

6. I have no problem teaching students about IQ discrepancies, their origins and their effects. Good suggestion.

7. Race is a social construct. Teaching about white privilege doesn't "validate" it; teaching about white privilege acknowledges the effects that that social construct has on society and individuals within it.

Race is not a social construct. It is a natural phenomenom that influences social action and thinking.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

I am arguing in order to get you to challenge your assumptions, since they appear to be flawed.



Ah, so you are incapable of supporting your position intelligently, but refuse to alter your position despite it's foundation of ignorance.

Got it.

How sad to think at one point I thought you to not be the typical DP member. I was wrong in thinking that. Continue on with the nonsense, as the more you put forth, the more it shows others the vacancy of your posts.

That you suggest that more white people are not 'needy' or 'poor' yet provide nothing to support such ignorance is noted. The numbers have long been out there. Quit relying on a failed education system and do your own work for a change.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

The whole concept is just more left wing race bating BS.

white people being poor doesnt change the fact white privilege exists, just like obama being president doesnt change the fact racism exist, thats the most nonsensical thing i have ever heard.

And what does left wing have to do with these facts?

The fact is its alive and well just like racism, sexism etc :shrug:

we could debate how much it happens but dont that it doesnt exist because facts disagree with that.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White "privilege" is simply a manifestation of White productivity. Blacks with
talent have no problems finding employment.

Not sure if I agree its as cut and dry as implied. I once worked for an organization that did employ minorities but once privy to the behind the scenes inner-workings, much of the corporate culture was based on favoritism. Not a huge employer and basically a mom and pops operation. White guy did job X and was given a bonus for taking on the extra responsibility. He is later reassigned and black guy is given that project at half of what the white guy was paid. Its hard to say if race was absolutely the reason for the difference in compensation or just a strange corporate culture where the boss just liked another person more than the other. The favoritism dynamic was a significant component to how the place was run breeding a huge brown nosing dynamic throughout the organization, which strangely did affect promotions but not the compensation levels of minority employees. Talented blacks had no problem getting hired or promoted but blacks generally were not compensated equally. Coincidence or not, again its hard to say. However, after I left the wife took over day to day operations, in short time women out numbered men leadership positions 2 to 1 and a black woman was appointed to the top position.
 
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Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Race is not a social construct. It is a natural phenomenom that influences social action and thinking.
Are you saying that people of different races are inherently different beyond superficial differences? If so, in what ways?
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

The whole concept is just more left wing race bating BS.

In total numbers, yes. As a per capita index or percentage of their group's population, no.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

1. I wish I had gone to your school.

2. White privilege doesn't mean that success is determined by race.

3. White privilege doesn't mean that white people "owe" anyone anything.

4. White privilege doesn't mean that white people don't have to study or work while other people buy iPads.

5. White privilege doesn't mean that all white people have "had it easy."

6. I have no problem teaching students about IQ discrepancies, their origins and their effects. Good suggestion.

7. Race is a social construct. Teaching about white privilege doesn't "validate" it; teaching about white privilege acknowledges the effects that that social construct has on society and individuals within it.


#6 what are those origins, the cite I showed says it's mostly genetic in nature.

at least I can't say you're a hypocrite on the issue.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

white people being poor doesnt change the fact white privilege exists,

The downfall of our society is progressing forward due to idiocy like this...
 
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