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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Harry probably has the best post of the thread thus far.

    Yes, it exists to a certain degree in so much as the notion of "white" is the generalized "default". This isn't inherently a "bad" or "evil" thing but rather a typical cultural human thing. Go into an area where the predominent race is asian and there will be asian privledge. Go into an area where the predominent race is black and there will be black privledge. This is because human nature says that whatever is the most common thing one experiences on a routine basis will be what's set to "default" in ones head unless there's some other strong factor to alter that.

    No, there does not need to be an exceedingly strong endevour to "correct" for it at this point. There's a difference between an active and passive notion of privledge. In the past in this country, the notion was absolutely active...there were proactive laws, regulations, and unspoken societal agreements aimed specifically at stifling those that were not white. This warranted significant action to attept to combat and change; those things both being necessary for any real success. You can't just fight against it, you must change the culture. And by and large, the later has happened. However, as the amount of active privledge reduces so to does the amount of active combative actions need to decrease as well lest you create a situation of blowback. There comes a time where people believe there is a fight and battle going on largely because you're still telling them they need to be fighting and battling...and for no other reason.

    We're not entirely to a point where all forms of corrective action needs to be removed or ended. There's still teaching needing to be done and there's still some who seek and push for an active notion of it. But that point moves ever closer, but is stifled by the refusal by many to realistically acknolwedge it nor the progress that's been made.
    1. It's not entirely true that going into Asian or black areas (within the United States, at least) leads to Asian privilege. For example, within many black neighborhoods in the United States, white privilege still trumps anything that could be considered "white privilege." In fact, many of the people in such neighborhoods still treat white people as if they are more "worthy" of respect than other black people simply because they've internalized the prejudice they grew up with. Moreover, white people often own the most significant businesses in the area, control the government that dictates policies in their area, dominates the media that portrays them as less than and so on.

    2. It's easy for a white heterosexual male to say "no, there doesn't need to be an exceedingly strong endeavor to correct for white privilege," don't you think? I mean, why does there need to be a strong endeavor to correct inequality that doesn't have noticeably negative effects on your life and that perpetuates the historical inequality that people like you have faced for centuries?

    3. The fact that you think that "by and large" the culture has changed illustrates the very white privilege that is the topic of this thread as being white allows you to not see the negative ramifications of the privilege you likely benefit from. What has changed are blatant displays of racism and discrimination in law, in speech and in other aspects of society. And while discrimination is certainly lower than it was in the past, the culture that "white privilege" creates has certainly not been "by and large" changed. White people - white people who don't acknowledge current extent of white privilege and its effects on non-whites - still dominate government, media, education and most of society.

    4. If you or anyone else "believes there is a fight and battle going on largely because you're still telling them they need to be fighting and battling...and for no other reason," then that is your problem not the problem of the people talking about the "fight". As a result, you should educate yourself. (And this isn't even meant to be snarky, just to the point.)

    5. There little to no people in this country who refuse to acknowledge the "progress that's been made." The vast majority of people know that black people are literally enslaved anymore and that white people don't have blatant laws making them superior to others. As a result, I don't think your criticism on that issue is particularly relevant.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. It's not entirely true that going into Asian or black areas (within the United States, at least) leads to Asian privilege. For example, within many black neighborhoods in the United States, white privilege still trumps anything that could be considered "white privilege." In fact, many of the people in such neighborhoods still treat white people as if they are more "worthy" of respect than other black people simply because they've internalized the prejudice they grew up with. Moreover, white people often own the most significant businesses in the area, control the government that dictates policies in their area, dominates the media that portrays them as less than and so on.
    I was speaking of areas in a larger sense, similar on scale to the United States rather than going to a micro level of neighborhoods. That said, I would say some aspects of "privledges" does exist in those things, specifically in terms of the notion of "default status". It's funny, your attempts at grasping onto exceptions in those instances mirror those who attempt to do so on the other side on a national level.

    2. It's easy for a white heterosexual male to say "no, there doesn't need to be an exceedingly strong endeavor to correct for white privilege," don't you think? I mean, why does there need to be a strong endeavor to correct inequality that doesn't have noticeably negative effects on your life and that perpetuates the historical inequality that people like you have faced for centuries?
    I think that's a pretty ingenious debate tactic there...immedietely belittle the opinion of a pocket of people who disagree with you based on their race. I don't believe it's any easier for a white heterosexual male to say than it is for a non-white, non-heterosexual, or non-male to say the opposite. Unlike you, I don't belittle their opinion due to that.

    3. The fact that you think that "by and large" the culture has changed illustrates the very white privilege that is the topic of this thread as being white allows you to not see the negative ramifications of the privilege you likely benefit from. What has changed are blatant displays of racism and discrimination in law, in speech and in other aspects of society. And while discrimination is certainly lower than it was in the past, the culture that "white privilege" creates has certainly not been "by and large" changed. White people - white people who don't acknowledge current extent of white privilege and its effects on non-whites - still dominate government, media, education and most of society.
    Culture has changed. That's not speaking from bias, but from casual observation. The successively younger generation tends to have a more neutral outlook in terms of race and exhibit less, and less severe, acts of active or even passive institutionalized prejudice. Is it all gone? Absolutely not. Notice I even stated such in my post. But our society is well beyond the levels of the 40's or 50's, and even the 80's and 90's, especially when you look at the generational pockets which came into adulthood during the later decades. Is it progressed to where it ultimatley needs to go? But then again, my actual POST never suggested that.

    4. If you or anyone else "believes there is a fight and battle going on largely because you're still telling them they need to be fighting and battling...and for no other reason," then that is your problem not the problem of the people talking about the "fight". As a result, you should educate yourself. (And this isn't even meant to be snarky, just to the point.)
    Good thing I stated "There comes a time" suggesting that said time has no arrived yet. Perhaps you should read peoples posts rather than seeing a general stance and immedietely making assumptions and stereotypes of what they think in such a prejudice manner.

    5. There little to no people in this country who refuse to acknowledge the "progress that's been made."
    Which I never said. There's a difference between acknowledging it and acknowleding it in a realistic manner. I agree, few acknolwedge that progress has been made. I believe that a far larger number however don't acknowledge the amount and level of progress has been made because doing so does not suit the political agenda. Like many movements...from the Civil Rights to the Tea Party...they are political in nature and are leveraged for that reason, typically starting with good intentions but also realizing that losing any amount of zeal, emotion, or severity lessens the power of said movement. And thus, the fires must be stoked as if every past success is both momentous AND irrelevant in terms of the problem being faced. This is an unrealistic acknowledgement of the situation in my mind. You don't believe my criticisms are relevant; that's fair, that's your right. However, with the whole sale stereotyping and blatant prejudice you've displayed in your post by routinely stereotyping me out of a bigoted connotation that seemingly all those who believe a particular view point must hold certain beliefs and views, forgive me if I don't believe much of what you post or state is relevant to me either.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This post is so ignorant. A white man applying for scholarships is not "disadvantaged" by scholarships for blacks, women and whoever else. Those scholarships are there to give blacks, women, etc. a chance to compete with white men - to compete with the advantage that being a white male has historically held in society.
    Typical load of crap that I've come to expect of you. When you are systematically eliminated from applying to a scholarship based on race or sex, you are at a complete disadvantage. Conversely, I have NEVER...not once...seen a scholarship open to ONLY white males. A general scholarship is open to both sexes, all races, all nationalities, religions, etc. I just think it's comical how you think that any scholarship not specifically set aside for a minority is going to go de facto to a white male.

    I honestly can't tell if you're a WRA or just some minority who's upset that everything is not given to her. Doesn't change the absurdity of your opinion either way.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Riiiiight.

    That's why 'white' men make about 40% more then women and about 25-30% more then 'black' men...because they have it soooo rough.



    Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In that SAME wiki article, it talks about median income, broken down by race, where Asians are #1 - followed by whites, then blacks, then Hispanics.

    Gee...I wonder if EDUCATION plays a part in that.

    Take your red herring, and your excuses, elsewhere. Both are a joke here.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    "White privilege (or white skin privilege) refers to what some individuals perceive as advantages that white people enjoy in certain societies beyond those commonly experienced by people of color in the same social, political, or economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc). The controversial term connotes both obvious and less obvious unspoken advantages that white individuals may not recognize they have. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; greater presumed social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal. It can be compared and/or combined with the concept of male privilege. Does this still exist? If so, should it be corrected and fought against?
    Of course it exist, to say it doesnt is either dishonest or uneducated. Its be just as illogical to say racism doesnt exist.

    Now the question is how much does it exist, where and when.

    Its not a BLANKET that coats everything, just as racism isnt a blanket that coats everything but white privileged is alive and well all over the country.

    Also i didnt vote because while it factually exists im not sure i like saying its a problem and needs fixed.

    I dont think its wide spread or ingrained enough to do anything more than we are already doing to be civil to one another. Awarness and laws to protect us.

    Basically what im getting at is i dont think there needs to be any special campaign or anything like that, just basic education and enforce the laws that are on the books now or improve them as needed.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    The fact that something like Affirmative Action exists is proof that black people are(were?) at enough of a disadvantage that it would be proposed in the first place.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Typical load of crap that I've come to expect of you. When you are systematically eliminated from applying to a scholarship based on race or sex, you are at a complete disadvantage. Conversely, I have NEVER...not once...seen a scholarship open to ONLY white males. A general scholarship is open to both sexes, all races, all nationalities, religions, etc. I just think it's comical how you think that any scholarship not specifically set aside for a minority is going to go de facto to a white male.

    I honestly can't tell if you're a WRA or just some minority who's upset that everything is not given to her. Doesn't change the absurdity of your opinion either way.
    If there was some people would say it's racist. Many schools have minority scholarships exclusive to minority students. I went through college on an academic scholarship, PELL Grant based on income, and state aid as well as taking out loans.

    Graduate school admissions are extremely racist. In healthcare there seems to be this magical "under represented in healthcare" drive where schools are encouraged to accept more minority students. That's just entirely wrong in my opinion and race should never be a consideration when it comes to aid or acceptance.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    What made me more receptive to the concept was noticing what it was like when trying to explain educational or work rights I have that the non-disabled population doesn't get. The same "I'm at a disadvantage" rhetoric came up, and they were literally unable to contemplate how this put met at a more even playing field where my merit could get through (despite the fact that people could very well expect that being disabled was seen as a disadvantage). This is indeed an apples and oranges comparison, but the small nugget I learned from that helped explain the white privilege concept. Now, surely when I was first exposed to the concept, I had a nearly gut reaction against it. That's normal. I'm white, I'm male, but furthermore I considered that, "well, I didn't have much of an advantage...I'm disabled." It's just a slow exposure to the small things that make the concept real. It has its layers, not all of them totally visible at first glance...but it's there.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The fact that something like Affirmative Action exists is proof that black people are(were?) at enough of a disadvantage that it would be proposed in the first place.
    No it isn't. It is just proof of politicians wanting to lure the black or other minoirty voters by catering to them.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No it isn't. It is just proof of politicians wanting to lure the black or other minoirty voters by catering to them.
    Yes, that's it. Because at no point were black people on a lower rung of the ladder than white people.

    I swear, in the minds of some of you people there's this idea that at the end of the civil war black people were instantly raised to equal status with everybody else.

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