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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    "White privilege (or white skin privilege) refers to what some individuals perceive as advantages that white people enjoy in certain societies beyond those commonly experienced by people of color in the same social, political, or economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc). The controversial term connotes both obvious and less obvious unspoken advantages that white individuals may not recognize they have. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; greater presumed social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal. It can be compared and/or combined with the concept of male privilege. Does this still exist? If so, should it be corrected and fought against?
    As I'm not American, I don't want to comment on the situation in America in particular, but on ethnic/racial minorities in general.

    When in a country, there are ethnic/racial minorities, and their average material situation such as income, education level and representation, is lower than that of the majority ethnicity/race, that of course begs for questions (assuming there is no legal discrimination, obviously). The only two reasons I can think of are that 1) they are not given equal opportunities, because the majority maintains a "privilege", or 2) something about that ethnicity/race makes them inherently incapable of achieving like the majority.

    As far as I know, blacks in America have a considerably lower income and education average compared to whites. Why is that? You answer me, because I am not sure. But I don't like explanations that belong to 2), such as "blacks are genetically less intelligent/ambitious/etc". Following 2), maybe it's their culture? But what is "black culture"? Aren't African Americans exposed to the same culture as white Americans?

    1) would encompass arguments such as "white privilege": Due to involuntary, non-malicious racist stereotypes, blacks are disadvantaged in a society dominated by whites. Maybe white employers are less likely to hire a qualified black than a white employee, because they have (subconscious, involuntary) prejudices. Maybe white teachers show the same prejudice towards black pupils.

    Most likely, the real problem is not due to one single reason, but a mix of various of these reasons, to different degrees. So what do you think? Did I overlook something important?
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    Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I know this will probably not go over well, mainly because it's the truth.

    black people are poorly represented, rappers that objectify women and talk about money as if that's the only thing is in this world. black children grow up with these role models and believe it that's how they should act. the stereotype is perpetuated by the entertainment industry but only because the demand for that kind of thuggery is there.

    Asians are portrayed as intelligent and ambitious, so really it's asian people who have the cultural advantage.

    the only fix is the culture has to change, if this pissed you off then you're happy with the culture you live in.
    It is also pretty hard truth psychologically speaking. They have done studies on this. Environmental impact is huge. A woman did an experiment on her students back in the 60s or 70s about students with blonde hair blue eyes being less valuable. Them reversed it. It is pretty interesting stuff:
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    1) they are not given equal opportunities, because the majority maintains a "privilege"
    That's definitely not true. They are given endless opportunities, in fact even more than whites. The higher your income is, the less chance you have to get grants, and the less money you have. If you come from destitution, so many grants, scholarships, etc. exist for you that it's not even funny. The problem is that blacks are not being told this, and they want to maintain that college is for "rich folks".

    That is on them.

    2) something about that ethnicity/race makes them inherently incapable of achieving like the majority.
    Affirmative Action exists to not just give them equal opportunity in workplaces and other locations, but to give them advantages over whites of equal and even higher intelligence and merit. This is why we have a term in America called a "token". However, many of them don't want even this, because black culture tells them that they're Uncle Toms, or that earned success is selling out or the result of "being white".

    That is on them.

    As far as I know, blacks in America have a considerably lower income and education average compared to whites. Why is that? You answer me, because I am not sure. But I don't like explanations that belong to 2), such as "blacks are genetically less intelligent/ambitious/etc". Following 2), maybe it's their culture? But what is "black culture"? Aren't African Americans exposed to the same culture as white Americans?
    Not proper white Americans, just our gutter trash. They have lower income and education average, but it's not from lack of opportunity. It's from lack of effort. It's not specifically because "blacks are genetically less intelligent". I mean, you could argue that, but I'm not going to. There is nothing physiologically about the African-American brain that dictates them unable to succeed on their own.

    You want a hint of black culture? They have terms like "Uncle Tom" - it's essentially a black man that black culture views as a white sympathizer if they do not hate him and abandon a culture of self-deprecation and excuse. If you succeed through the system, you're a "sellout". If you speak coherently and distinctly, you're "talking white". I'm not making this up; this is almost universal among what we perceive as black culture in America.

    That is on them.

    1) would encompass arguments such as "white privilege": Due to involuntary, non-malicious racist stereotypes, blacks are disadvantaged in a society dominated by whites. Maybe white employers are less likely to hire a qualified black than a white employee, because they have (subconscious, involuntary) prejudices. Maybe white teachers show the same prejudice towards black pupils.
    It's definitely possible, but in today's America it is MUCH less likely to happen than decades ago.

    Most likely, the real problem is not due to one single reason, but a mix of various of these reasons, to different degrees. So what do you think? Did I overlook something important?
    Plenty. Essentially, it's on them.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I go to college and apply for scholarships...oops, not this one, that's for blacks. Not that one, it's for women. Not that one either...Hispanics. Oops, another black scholarship.

    I go take a civil service exam. Wow I got a 97. Aw crap, LaShequah got an 84...plus 10 for being black...plus 10 for being a woman. Well, I can apply somewhere else.

    I'll go apply for another job. Hmm...seems okay. Wait, you mean you get a tax break for employing that person over there, even though not as qualified? Well damn.

    You must have blinders on to how the world works, "wise" one.
    Did you specifically have all these experiences? As in, did you personally have all of these experiences? Were you somehow held back because of your skin color, are you not somewhere that you feel you could have been today if you were black?

    I don't disagree that race based qualifications are a silly out dated thing, but a lot of people who talk about how its unfair because of their skin color have never actually experienced real discrimination.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Did you specifically have all these experiences? As in, did you personally have all of these experiences? Were you somehow held back because of your skin color, are you not somewhere that you feel you could have been today if you were black?

    I don't disagree that race based qualifications are a silly out dated thing, but a lot of people who talk about how its unfair because of their skin color have never actually experienced real discrimination.
    Sure, why not. Maybe I wanted to apply to the Jamal Ogundabulpadekabobo Business Scholarship and was upset that I couldn't. Maybe I was discouraged from taking the civil service exam because I knew LaWanda could wake up, come in, and beat my score through gifts. Maybe there was a job I didn't get because they needed to "color up" the 4th floor and not look like they were an old money country club.

    All could've easily happened to me, sure.

    Are you saying that if a black kid grew up in the suburbs and didn't get lynched, spit on, and hung from a noose, then racism doesn't exist? After all, he never experienced anything of the sort.

    I hope you realize how much you're looking like a fool right now.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Sure, why not. Maybe I wanted to apply to the Jamal Ogundabulpadekabobo Business Scholarship and was upset that I couldn't. Maybe I was discouraged from taking the civil service exam because I knew LaWanda could wake up, come in, and beat my score through gifts. Maybe there was a job I didn't get because they needed to "color up" the 4th floor and not look like they were an old money country club.

    All could've easily happened to me, sure.

    Are you saying that if a black kid grew up in the suburbs and didn't get lynched, spit on, and hung from a noose, then racism doesn't exist? After all, he never experienced anything of the sort.

    I hope you realize how much you're looking like a fool right now.
    Ok ya maybe it happened, but did it happen to you? Simple question, why don't you answer it? Did you ever not get a job because you were white, or not get into the school of your choice because of it? I already said that I agree race based qualifications are silly, that applies to things like scholarships, jobs, college applications, etc, so you aren't going to get me to defend those because I don't agree with them. I just want to know if the person complaining about all this has ever been a victim of it.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    As I'm not American, I don't want to comment on the situation in America in particular, but on ethnic/racial minorities in general.

    When in a country, there are ethnic/racial minorities, and their average material situation such as income, education level and representation, is lower than that of the majority ethnicity/race, that of course begs for questions (assuming there is no legal discrimination, obviously). The only two reasons I can think of are that 1) they are not given equal opportunities, because the majority maintains a "privilege", or 2) something about that ethnicity/race makes them inherently incapable of achieving like the majority.

    As far as I know, blacks in America have a considerably lower income and education average compared to whites. Why is that? You answer me, because I am not sure. But I don't like explanations that belong to 2), such as "blacks are genetically less intelligent/ambitious/etc". Following 2), maybe it's their culture? But what is "black culture"? Aren't African Americans exposed to the same culture as white Americans?

    1) would encompass arguments such as "white privilege": Due to involuntary, non-malicious racist stereotypes, blacks are disadvantaged in a society dominated by whites. Maybe white employers are less likely to hire a qualified black than a white employee, because they have (subconscious, involuntary) prejudices. Maybe white teachers show the same prejudice towards black pupils.

    Most likely, the real problem is not due to one single reason, but a mix of various of these reasons, to different degrees. So what do you think? Did I overlook something important?
    I would loosely define "white privilege" as racist stereotypes, historically divergent living standards (being from slaves/people persecuted vs. a higher although not always high white living standard), current cultural differences.

    Some "white privilege" still exists definitely, but not nearly as much as it used to be.
    Most to nearly all blacks in the US are not former slaves and many have not lived through blatant legal segregation/descrimination.
    However, recovering from such things can be a slow process and if can definitely be felt today, to some degree (lower income, lower education, etc.)

    With all that, Black culture, has somewhat developed into eschewing Blacks from acting like Whites.
    "Acting White" can be getting good grades/academic achievement, not abiding by the Black pop culture and dress standards (music, low hanging pants, tattoos, gangs), having a "White" job, things like that.
    Acting "White" in a Black community can end in physical and mental abuse.
    There is also de facto segregation and single parent households, the latter which is huge.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I go to college and apply for scholarships...oops, not this one, that's for blacks. Not that one, it's for women. Not that one either...Hispanics. Oops, another black scholarship.
    This post is so ignorant. A white man applying for scholarships is not "disadvantaged" by scholarships for blacks, women and whoever else. Those scholarships are there to give blacks, women, etc. a chance to compete with white men - to compete with the advantage that being a white male has historically held in society.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I think it exists in some kind of fashion. Nowadays it's starting to be a disadvantage due to all the minority only opportunities and laws.

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    If the reason of giving minorities extra opportunities is because they are more poor on average, whynot give those opportunities to ALL poor? YOU are literally valuing human beings higher than others.
    1. "Minority only opportunities" are there to help minorities compete with white males. Such opportunities do not mean that whites are at a disadvantage. It means that white men are now getting more competition.

    2. Every non-privileged group is given "extra opportunities". In other words, every non-privileged group is targeted by scholarships, etc.. For example, relative to class, poor people are the most disadvantaged. As a result, there are plenty of scholarships that target, as you suggest, ALL poor people. Similarly, relative to race, black people are disadvantaged. As a result, there are plenty of scholarships that target black people. To say that one disadvantaged group (poor people) should be targeted but not another group (black people) is nonsensical.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Of course it does. "Stop and frisk", need i say more?


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